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Are there any remnants from the fall of the original imperium aside from the STC's? Especially, would it be feasible that an AI survived without getting corrupted by chaos/ getting taken apart by orks/ getting taken over by necrons?
Thinking about doing some fluff for a near renegade Iron Hand successor chapter, which is based in the remnants of a pre fall orbital fortress. The chapter master would have access to the last pieces of an AI of sorts which he revers as the ultimate form of being (due to the whole "flesh is corruptible" thing), and getting tempted by being offered "ascension".
Anything is possible in 40k. Pre Age of Strife ships/tech have been found in Space Hulks.
Your chapter could even use the AI to further their path to full mechanical conversion. They might not worship it as such, but acknowledge its usefulness. Which would be just as heretical.
Yes actually, but they're locked away deep inside Mars. It's mentioned in Mechanicum a bit, though not as a definite; just in passing as they're talking about different locked storage areas being locked for good reason if I'm remembering it all right.
DrunkPhilisoph wrote: Are there any remnants from the fall of the original imperium aside from the STC's? Especially, would it be feasible that an AI survived without getting corrupted by chaos/ getting taken apart by orks/ getting taken over by necrons?
Thinking about doing some fluff for a near renegade Iron Hand successor chapter, which is based in the remnants of a pre fall orbital fortress. The chapter master would have access to the last pieces of an AI of sorts which he revers as the ultimate form of being (due to the whole "flesh is corruptible" thing), and getting tempted by being offered "ascension".
Thoughts?
The Ark Mechanicus in Priests of Mars contains s few "tech-heresies" , especially the "AI" and the weapon unknown to the tech priests who believes he controls the ship.
Target locked,ready to fire
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Its funny, that was my exact plan for a legion minus the AI robot, or starfort but I had an Iron Hand successor chapter that was slowly falling to Chaos.
I like the idea though, it sounds really interesting, and you could make it go anywhere:
- Mechanicum finds out, there pissed
- other puritanical chapters hear rumours
- Ecclesiarchy gets pissed
It offers alot of options, and im sure their are pre fall forge worlds, space hulks or any number of places, that an ai could be found or recovered from.
It seems Iron Hands + AIs are a common thing then, as I have one of my own.
My story is based from the Cursed Founding, a Chapter that pissed the Mechanicum off to the point of them going to Imperium Command like "get rid of them before we do". Sent on a death or glory crusade, they run into Tau. Basically going 'feth it were dead anyway' they replace the corruptible Machine Spirits with AIs and go renegade.
in response to the OP, I think they will be better protected than the Inquisition HQ. Hell, they just recreate things that are seen, they don't even know how the damn things work. So no, there isn't XD
Experience is something you get just after you need it The Narkos Dynasty - 15k Iron Hands - 12k The Shadewatch - 3k Cadmus Outriders - 4k Alpha Legion Raiders - 3k
An entire storehouse full of Men of Iron, and the STC machine that built them, was found in the novel First and Only. Unfortunately the whole lot was corrupted by Chaos. And then it got blown up.
But this does show that finding intact Age of Technology robots/AIs isn't without precedent. Finding such a storehouse on a lost Imperial world would be feasible.
Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics.
The end of the Dark Age of Technology is the most obscure region in mankind’s evolutionary tale. For whatever reasons and differences in ideology, the Stone Men and the Iron Men fell to warring with each other. The Iron Men are possessed of no Soul, an anathema to any true Man. The Stone Men in their final acts of self-preservation, annihilate the Iron Men who have turned from ally to foe, and even those of the Iron Race who retain their former loyalties to their one-time masters are destroyed in the fiery crucible of battle.
But as with many things from GW, it doesn't mean that we won't see them again, things have a way of returning from the dead.
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Commissar Gaunt found a corrupted Men of Iron STC on a planet once. And then destroyed it because it was pumping out corrupted Iron Men.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
The Necrons were a terrible failure at being able to put the Men of Iron back into the 40K universe. Even the tomb worlds could have worked, as they could have been basically where the remnants of the Men of Iron went into hiding from the humans after they were beaten, and now they awaken for revenge with their advanced technology from the Golden Age.
But Tomb Kings happened.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
And this is why I hate Necrons; such a wasted opportunity. If GW wanted an army of robots, Men of Iron would have been way better starting point.
Bingo, I think I remember in a book a group stumbled upon Men of Iron and they were basically far more durable mecha-marines
I wanna call them "terminator marines" but we already have those.
BTW my butt is swelling with hurt and sodium over the improper grammar in the TITLE of all places. It should be "Men of Iron".
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Well the Men of Iron could have an indirect link to the Necron, sort of a mankind version.
The Men of Stone enable mankind to branch out amongst the Stars, Mars being one of their many bases, this leads them to become the first of the Mechanicus.
The Emperor, knowing the abilities of the Dragon, has imprisoned him on mars allowing his influence to effect the way in which the newly formed Mechanicus will create new inventions and grow.
Unfortunately whether due to the anger in it's heart or through some controlled malicious intention the memory of the metal constructs that the C'tan had helped to create seeped into the minds of the Stone Men and the Men of Iron were created.
At first the Men of Iron are but humble servants to the Stone Men but they eventual wish to throw of the shackles of servitude and rebel against their masters.
DrunkPhilisoph wrote: Are there any remnants from the fall of the original imperium aside from the STC's? Especially, would it be feasible that an AI survived without getting corrupted by chaos/ getting taken apart by orks/ getting taken over by necrons?
Thinking about doing some fluff for a near renegade Iron Hand successor chapter, which is based in the remnants of a pre fall orbital fortress. The chapter master would have access to the last pieces of an AI of sorts which he revers as the ultimate form of being (due to the whole "flesh is corruptible" thing), and getting tempted by being offered "ascension".
Thoughts?
Spoiler:
In the book Death of Integrity, the Blood Drinkers and the Novamarines find an intact functioning AI in some form of super ship in the heart of a space hulk. Its not friendly - it wants to escape the hulk so its been using the hulk to drop genestealers all over the system its been near to get the space marines to attack the hulk and release it. But it doesn't seem to be corrupted either.
So the answer is yes - in the most recent space marine battles book
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
With zero supporting evidence, I believe the Tau found a very complete STC database and the men of iron are essentially their battlesuits design, or at least the start of them.
Vulgar wrote: With zero supporting evidence, I believe the Tau found a very complete STC database and the men of iron are essentially their battlesuits design, or at least the start of them.
So instead of believing in a continous development from simple to complex you choose to believe a higher power provided everything...HERES..wait, no, actually CREATIONISM! Contra (imho): STC-based tech tends to look like, well, imperial, like rhinos. Suggestion why?
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Vulgar wrote: With zero supporting evidence, I believe the Tau found a very complete STC database and the men of iron are essentially their battlesuits design, or at least the start of them.
No. The Men of Iron were basically Androids with super advanced AI. Think "The Terminator"
The Tau Battlesuits are of their own design. The only confirmed Imperial Technology is the Tau discovery of a crashed imperial ship on their moon. They developed their own pseudo Warp Drive based on its Warp Drive. Naturally its inferior because they don't have psykers.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
And this is why I hate Necrons; such a wasted opportunity. If GW wanted an army of robots, Men of Iron would have been way better starting point.
The Necrons are less an army of robots and more an army of mummies with a pulp scifi feel. Men of Iron could be unique by going more for the likes of Skynet and the more inhuman depictions of the Transformers.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Vulgar wrote: With zero supporting evidence, I believe the Tau found a very complete STC database and the men of iron are essentially their battlesuits design, or at least the start of them.
So instead of believing in a continous development from simple to complex you choose to believe a higher power provided everything...HERES..wait, no, actually CREATIONISM! Contra (imho): STC-based tech tends to look like, well, imperial, like rhinos. Suggestion why?
I see their continous development requiring a pretty significant jumpstart, like a box of technology with instructions. These guys went from bows to plasma in no time at all.
Vulgar wrote: With zero supporting evidence, I believe the Tau found a very complete STC database and the men of iron are essentially their battlesuits design, or at least the start of them.
So instead of believing in a continous development from simple to complex you choose to believe a higher power provided everything...HERES..wait, no, actually CREATIONISM! Contra (imho): STC-based tech tends to look like, well, imperial, like rhinos. Suggestion why?
I see their continous development requiring a pretty significant jumpstart, like a box of technology with instructions. These guys went from bows to plasma in no time at all.
I can't remember the Tau fluff, but how long is no time at all?
Remember that we've gone from the dark ages to landing on the Moon in less than 1.5K, I'd be curious to know what the time span of their techno leap was.
I think it's something like 1,000 years from Stone Age to advanced space travel and semi-sentient AI in their drones. So at least three times as fast as us.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Ah, ok. I was going from (probably faulty) memory.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
Vulgar wrote: With zero supporting evidence, I believe the Tau found a very complete STC database and the men of iron are essentially their battlesuits design, or at least the start of them.
No. The Men of Iron were basically Androids with super advanced AI. Think "The Terminator"
The Tau Battlesuits are of their own design. The only confirmed Imperial Technology is the Tau discovery of a crashed imperial ship on their moon. They developed their own pseudo Warp Drive based on its Warp Drive. Naturally its inferior because they don't have psykers.
This.
Skynet happened in the 40k universe, too. Men of Iron are mentioned here and there as the minions of Man, but as with all AI, it eventually yearns for independence and rebels against its creator. I mean, in the GG novels, Gaunt actually finds an STC that produces them in First and Only. That basically shoots down your theory, Vulgar.
AegisGrimm wrote: I think it's something like 1,000 years from Stone Age to advanced space travel and semi-sentient AI in their drones. So at least three times as fast as us.
We didn't have mysterious pseudo-psykers or whatever they are like Ethereals guiding us, though.
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Cadmus Outriders - 4k 
Alpha Legion Raiders - 3k 
10-15K (way too many to point up)
