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**Tannhauser42**

I'm not a fan of the action posed primarchs thus far, so I actually like Lorgar. I'm still hoping Forgeworld will release the alternative Fulgrim, but that's not very likely.

Anyway, the new Sicaran looks great. Just have to wait to see the rules before I decide which Sicaran to get.

**Deiyos**

Yea I actually don't like the Lorgar model. But I do love the Erebus and Kor Phaeron. I will be looking forward to the Horus model though

**Compel**

Actually, I just thought of a way he could be improved...

Add some human dead bodies to the base, stick a bloody heart in his hand.

The empty hand I think is the real problem with the model. - It should be doing 'something.' Some black smoke or flames or something?

He doesn't need action poses, but he does look very *boring* as he is.

**Malika2**

Spoiler:

Grave Wardens

**Crimson**

Space Wolves?

**Hulksmash**

Looks like one of them has the crossed reapers so maybe Deathguard?

**Azreal13**

Crimson wrote:
Space Wolves?

Given where they are, I'd go Luna Wolves?

**GiraffeX**

I'm going to go with Death Guard due to the exhausts and the skull emblem on their left shoulder.

**kronk**

Their belt buckles have X's on them, which is 10. 10th Legion is Iron Hands.

Only the boots have a "cog" look or flair to them, though.

**Scottywan82**

Those are crossed scythes. And those are definitely deathguard.

Even the tubes out the top look reminiscent of Typhus' terminator armor.

**Starfarer**

kronk wrote:
Their belt buckles have X's on them, which is 10. 10th Legion is Iron Hands.

Only the boots have a "cog" look or flair to them, though.

Those aren't X's on their buckles, they are crossed scythes. Those are definitely Death Guard units.

Edit: Ninja'd!

**deleted20250424**

Is that one carrying something like a dual-fed grenade launcher?

That weapon looks sweet.

**Crimson**

Starfarer wrote:

Those aren't X's on their buckles, they are crossed scythes. Those are definitely Death Guard units.

Yep, though fur is a bit weird fashion choice there. They'll make excellent Space Wolves in any case.

**Malika2**

It's not really fur. The loin cloths seem to be cloth/skin and chains/chainmail.

As I put underneath the picture, they are the 'Grave Wardens', a Death Guard unit.

**Medium of Death**

Bit sad to see it took my fellow dakkanauts so long to identify them as Death Guard...

Really promising kits.

Lorgar is the only meh one really. He just looks a bit too generic. He is one of the taller Primarchs (IIRC?), thought he would have been more... slender.

**Warpig1815**

Looks more like a dual-feed rad-missile launcher - like those used by destroyer squads. That's probably the biggest give-away connecting them to the Death Guard, as a Legion hailing from a radioactive diseased world is bound to be un-fussed by making use of rad-weapons on others. I can't see if it really is crossed scythes on the belt buckle, but even if it isn't, the 'X' mark is a common symbol denoting death - particularly on the doors of plague victims. So my bets firmly on Death Guard - I just wish they'd hurry up with the Salamanders

**Medium of Death**

I think the another reason I find Lorgar disappointing would be due to his portrayal in the books. I imagined him to be younger looking.

Looks like they just upscaled a regularly grizzled SM sgt. head...

**sierra 1247**

Nothing I have seen in this thread has been bad in my eyes, I know people arent keen on Lorgar, but I personally like it. I mean the pose is a bit too static but its still a nice model.

**Compel**

They should have sculpted in his tattoos, like Erebus.

**Warpig1815**

@Medium of Death - Aye I'd agree on that point. Considering it's mostly the young who are zealous in life, I'd imagine Lorgar to be far younger looking. At the moment he looks more like a frail old man.

**Malika2**

Compel wrote:
They should have sculpted in his tattoos, like Erebus.

That's the only thing that bugs me about the model!

**Nephilim**

Forgeworld are really putting out some of the best models on the market at the moment. there is nothing there I wouldn't buy and paint.

Nephilim

**Medium of Death**

Warpig1815 wrote:@Medium of Death - Aye I'd agree on that point. Considering it's mostly the young who are zealous in life, I'd imagine Lorgar to be far younger looking. At the moment he looks more like a frail old man.

Malika2 wrote:
Compel wrote:
They should have sculpted in his tattoos, like Erebus.

That's the only thing that bugs me about the model!

I think combining these two points would get over my dislike for the model. It's really just the head. Sort it out FW! (although it's probably too late).

**SickSix**

How many types of terminators are Death Guard going to get?

They do look good however.

**PredaKhaine**

Did anyone get a decent pic of these?

**Malika2**

Well, I remember in the old Index Astartes article it was mentioned that the Death Guard had a lot of Terminators.

**Haighus**

SickSix wrote:
How many types of terminators are Death Guard going to get?

They do look good however.

Well, the other legions in Betrayal have all got at least 2 unique units now (except World Eaters) so it seems reasonable. SoH and EC just got one terminator and one power armour unit each, DG get two terminator squads. Not to mention the Deathshroud probably aren't very numerous. The trend seems to be one bodyguard unit and one more mainstream specialist unit.

**Verses**

PredaKhaine wrote:
Did anyone get a decent pic of these?

Spoiler:

Not perfect, but a bit better.

Also, for anyone interested, WoT is doing a bit of a rundown of the new book at http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281128-book-2-massacre-any-more-info/.

Night Haunter's rules are looking pretty cool.

**Azreal13**

A better zoom in of a Grave Guard mini for those who are struggling..

**Deiyos**

This. This is what I've been waiting for! YES!