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Nah, that's how female Catatchan need to look. That'd look silly in a Cadian army.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
Rosie the riveter for the Imperial Guard



PFC Jenette Vasquez

Now that's the way GW needs to make the IG females look.

Not how Valhallan women would look.

The one on the right is a female.

I can't see her massive breasts and apple-bottom ass, so that can't be right.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:


Edit: Sword wasn't a claymore or bastard sword. My mistake. To the unitiated claymores are a good 20 pounds.
Edit: Well mine is but it's gold, silver and platinum plated and 57 inches long.

Claymores weighed maybe 6.5 pounds, tops. What the hell kind of sword would weigh twenty? All that decoration on your mantlepiece more than triples the weight.

 Bobthehero wrote:


The one on the right is a female.

That can't be right, my comic books tell me all women have impossibly perky double Ds, bubble butts and hour glass figures.

Gotcha.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:


Edit: Sword wasn't a claymore or bastard sword. My mistake. To the unitiated claymores are a good 20 pounds.
Edit: Well mine is but it's gold, silver and platinum plated and 57 inches long.

Claymores weighed maybe 6.5 pounds, tops. What the hell kind of sword would weigh twenty? All that decoration on your mantlepiece more than triples the weight.

And even then 6.5 pounds is on the heavy side.

My arming sword is a meter long and its about 3 pounds, and the blade is very broad a claymore is not twice as long/the blade is probably narrower.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:


Edit: Sword wasn't a claymore or bastard sword. My mistake. To the unitiated claymores are a good 20 pounds.
Edit: Well mine is but it's gold, silver and platinum plated and 57 inches long.

Claymores weighed maybe 6.5 pounds, tops. What the hell kind of sword would weigh twenty? All that decoration on your mantlepiece more than triples the weight.

Yeah, that's my point. It's not a real sword, it's a mantlepiece shaped like a sword.

OK, now you've gone done it.
I dug this out of an old archive of mine.



The photo is terrible, but hopefully it illustrates my point. It's a model I converted years ago to be a female Caidan officer. Minimalist conversion, I just changed the head, and adjusted the torso and top of the legs to give it a bit of a waist.

I like to think it turned out reasonably well, given that I didn't spend too much time on it. The important thing is that he baggy nature of the clothes means the legs, boots and arms don't need modification, the hand are quite small anyway. So doing female Cadians, while not just a head-swap away, is quite easy.

The painting could use some work, but the modeling is fine I think.

Yeah, maybe a bit of a fill-coat for the paint, but I think the modelling job looks pretty perfect for a Cadian/Cadian-equivalent type of IG Regiment.

 Pendix wrote:
OK, now you've gone done it.
I dug this out of an old archive of mine.



The photo is terrible, but hopefully it illustrates my point. It's a model I converted years ago to be a female Caidan officer. Minimalist conversion, I just changed the head, and adjusted the torso and top of the legs to give it a bit of a waist.

I like to think it turned out reasonably well, given that I didn't spend too much time on it. The important thing is that he baggy nature of the clothes means the legs, boots and arms don't need modification, the hand are quite small anyway. So doing female Cadians, while not just a head-swap away, is quite easy.

Ah, perfect. Now, if GW just starts churning these out like crazy.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:


Edit: Sword wasn't a claymore or bastard sword. My mistake. To the unitiated claymores are a good 20 pounds.
Edit: Well mine is but it's gold, silver and platinum plated and 57 inches long.

Claymores weighed maybe 6.5 pounds, tops. What the hell kind of sword would weigh twenty? All that decoration on your mantlepiece more than triples the weight.

Tops? Naw, but 20 pounds is not a sword meant to be swung at someone.

As I said, it's just a mantlepiece. It's really not difficult to swing a properly made sword, and if you're physically fit, it's not difficult to do so for an extended time, either.

 Melissia wrote:
As I said, it's just a mantlepiece. It's really not difficult to swing a properly made sword, and if you're physically fit, it's not difficult to do so for an extended time, either.

And as said, that's because a proper sword doesn't follow D&D for weights. A late German Zweihander only weighs 2-3 kg. They used heavier versions for ceremonial things like parades and such (up to 4,5 kg), but even the Germans call those "bearing-swords" or "parade-swords" (Paratschwert).

Weapons for practical use need be light enough that a "normal" person can use them. Same goes for lasguns - if an average male can use one it's not too hard for an average female either. The huge amount of other stuff you get to carry is the main problem for any troops expected to move by foot anywhere. And that's where so-called boot camp comes in. You not only learn to wear your uniform properly, you also train your strength enough that the gear moves with you. I wasn't a very muscular man when I started my mandatory service but I did move all my stuff from the warehouse to the barracks, with some difficulty. A woman weaker than me might have needed help. After basic training I could move it all to my next assignment, military police training, with no difficulty. A woman would have gained enough muscle to manage it too providing she got through basic. And when I got out it was easy to carry it all back to the warehouse.

Point? The tithe to the Imperial Guard is usually not raw conscripts, they're the best of the planetary PDF. If there's women in the group they've done basic training and proved they can pull their weight.

You guys missed a few female guard minis, so I'll just toss these here:
http://www.solegends.com/citrt/rt501imperials1.htm
Trooper Trewevas is female (picture doesn't make it clear, but I have the mini and it's a much better scuplt than the official paint job makes it look - one of my favourites from Rogue Trader actually)
http://www.solegends.com/citrt/rt501imperials2.htm
Troopers Rutherford (serious looking guardswoman, formerly calle 'Trooper Vaskez') and Bush (Rogue Trader era pinup).
http://www.solegends.com/citcat19911/c2041impguard-02.htm
The Vasquez style character in the bottom right, labelled "autocannon" (looks more like a multilaser of some sort to me, and I have this figure - find she looks like Sigourney Weaver if she was a member of the flathead dynasty from Zork).
I think that's all of them.

 Melissia wrote:
As I said, it's just a mantlepiece. It's really not difficult to swing a properly made sword, and if you're physically fit, it's not difficult to do so for an extended time, either.

It is properly made though. The 540 steel, full tan,1 mm edge. It just so happens to also be very pretty and big. When I first got it I used it as an axe to cut down a pine tree. It's that tough.
6.5 pounds for a claymore max? That's under. The sword is really more of a zweihander than anything else.

It's 20 pounds. That's not properly made.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
6.5 pounds for a claymore max? That's under. The sword is really more of a zweihander than anything else.

Well, some historical accounts do claim heroic individuals used heavier swords. But those are heroes - like the Frisian hero who was supposed to have used a sword 84'' (213cm) long weighing 14,5lbs (about 6,6 kg). An exceptional warrior could surely use something extraordinary, but "normal" people don't. A desperate individual could ofc also use one of those ceremonial swords (Paratenschwerts) made to look impressive instead of being useful on the battlefield. They were still sharpened after all, and such a thing hitting you would have hurt a lot.

It's really no different from the rifles people use today. Most of us will be happy with an assault rifle weighing a few kg, Rambo picks up a machine gun.

 Melissia wrote:
It's 20 pounds. That's not properly made.

When you can use a sword to cut down an average sized pine tree, In an effort taking 25 minutes, I think it's well made.
I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs. I'll use my overweight sword with pride.

Swords aren't made to cut down trees.

So no, cutting down a tree in 25 minutes isn't really an indication that it's well made.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Swords aren't made to cut down trees.

So no, cutting down a tree in 25 minutes isn't really an indication that it's well made.

Trees are tougher than people to say the least. It implies it can go through people really easily. It also shows how tough it is, and the sheer abuse it can take.
Assuming you have the strength to use it, these factors add up to a functional sword.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
It implies it can go through people really easily.

I could cut through a limb given twenty five minutes and a kitchen knife (not necessarily a particularly sharp one, either). That means nothing.

Frankly, if you're using a sword to cut down a tree, you deserve to have the sword taken away from you.

Considering that most sword fights last like, 25 seconds far as I've heard, I don't think cutting someone down in 25 minutes is particularly practical.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:
[When you can use a sword to cut down an average sized pine tree, In an effort taking 25 minutes, I think it's well made.

It goes down in a minute with a proper axe, or less with a chainsaw. 25 minutes is crappy as hell far as woodcutting goes.

And even if you as a very large and muscular guy is fine with swinging a too-heavy sword, that's not what they made back when they used those things for real. They have very few real samples over 8 lbs in weight, and most of those haven't been used except for ceremony.

20 lbs sword and you are 6'2" and 200 lbs... and you swung it for 25 minutes? COOL STORY BRO!

I live fight with live steel in armor. My sword is 4 lbs roughly. I wear about 10 lbs, maybe a little less in armor. I train once a week. I run daily. My longest Melee was about 5 minutes long, and I need to rest.

My other stupid sport is MilSim Paintball. I use a RAP4 T68, which is a clip fed paintball gun. My weapon is kitted out an looks and functions like a M4a1, and it weights right are 6.7 lbs. I then carry about 20 lbs of extra ammo, airtank, camelpack ect. Once again, I train for this stuff by jogging daily.

With all this.. I wouldn't even pick up a 20 lbs sword. I mean feth at that length alone...
What you are saying is you can hold a Fire Extinguisher out, at arms length.. for a prolonged period of time.. and then use it as a hammer... for 25 minutes.

Now if you said. My name is Arnold, I am 6'2" and weight 280 lbs.... I might believe you, and then ask what it was like to be mister universe in the 1970s.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
It's 20 pounds. That's not properly made.

When you can use a sword to cut down an average sized pine tree, In an effort taking 25 minutes, I think it's well made.
I'm 6'2 and 200 lbs. I'll use my overweight sword with pride.

Swords are noted as being some of the few weapons of war that are only actually good for human to human combat. They're not good for hunting, nor do they have uses for wood cutting, butchery or farming. Also, why do you need to be cutting down random trees? Did Trees kill your parents? Have you taken to dressing in intimidating outfits to play on the fact that Trees are a superstitious and cowardly lot?

You must be some kind of Superhero to swing a twenty pound sword for a half hour.

He's Durkon Thundershield relative

 Bobthehero wrote:
He's Durkon Thundershield relative

Hah! I need to catch up on OOTS.