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I am also having a hard time even figuring out how the hell you can fit 20 lbs of metal into a 6 foot long blade. Assuming it is 6 feet long. I mean this claymore is either made out of PURE platinum... which means it is worth half a million dollars, or its made of star metal....

Even a pound of platinum, which costs about 25,000, is probably out of the question. The Heaviest claymore I can find on a quick search is 7 pounds... and gak hold that out at arms length for more than a minute...

TiamatRoar wrote:
Considering that most sword fights last like, 25 seconds far as I've heard, I don't think cutting someone down in 25 minutes is particularly practical.

Well I could expect stupidity this is too much.
If you swung this thing full force it would cut a large man in two. That same blow would have to be applied to a pine tree in the same spot a good 100 times.
People don't resort to stupid arguments just because you dont agree unless your frontal lobes really are that challenged.
I also remassed the zweihander and it's 14.5 pounds.


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 thegrav wrote:
I am also having a hard time even figuring out how the hell you can fit 20 lbs of metal into a 6 foot long blade. Assuming it is 6 feet long. I mean this claymore is either made out of PURE platinum... which means it is worth half a million dollars, or its made of star metal....

Even a pound of platinum, which costs about 25,000, is probably out of the question. The Heaviest claymore I can find on a quick search is 7 pounds... and gak hold that out at arms length for more than a minute...

It's 57 inches long. It also has a massive ornate guard weighing more than the blade. There are way too many factors in a sword to look at it like you are.

That is still TWICE as heavy as it should be, and EVERY replica sword I have ever seen is lighter. Replica companies LOVE cheap/light materials.

And You wouldn't "cut a guy in half" with a heavy mass sword, you would smash and bash and tear and rip apart. Light, thin, sharp swords will cut through flesh and bone. I mean an Ulfberht, which is a ~1000 ad sword is 2.6 lbs and just that fact that it was Damascus crucible steel it would cut through European swords, chainmail, and at times shatter full plate armor.

Sword fighting has NOTHING to do with "ZOMG GUYS MY SWORD IS POWERLEVEL 9000!" and more about material, weight and training. A physically fit/trained swords person, in this case one of my friends Tina, with a Ulfberht could hack a person into bits with her "weak woman weight sword" before you could even think about picking up you 14 lb chunk of steel.


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 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:


It's 57 inches long. It also has a massive ornate guard weighing more than the blade. There are way too many factors in a sword to look at it like you are.

I don't know anyone that would ever fight with that thing... ever. For any reason.

 thegrav wrote:
That is still TWICE as heavy as it should be, and EVERY replica sword I have ever seen is lighter. Replica companies LOVE cheap/light materials.

And You wouldn't "cut a guy in half" with a heavy mass sword, you would smash and bash and tear and rip apart. Light, thin, sharp swords will cut through flesh and bone. I mean an Ulfberht, which is a ~1000 ad sword is 2.6 lbs and just that fact that it was Damascus crucible steel it would cut through European swords, chainmail, and at times shatter full plate armor.

Sword fighting has NOTHING to do with "ZOMG GUYS MY SWORD IS POWERLEVEL 9000!" and more about material, weight and training. A physically fit/trained swords person, in this case one of my friends Tina, with a Ulfberht could hack a person into bits with her "weak woman weight sword" before you could even think about picking up you 14 lb chunk of steel.

It's not a replica, I don't know why you're assuming this.
I also made mention of the fact that it's a mm thick blade. Read the posts before you start an argument on a wargaming forum. It will go through a man very easily with that much weight.
Weight and sharpness go together quite nicely to say the least. They add on to the force applied.
And that's not twice what it should be for a zweihander. More like 1.4 times.

And 57 inches is ~ 4 feet 8 inches.

 thegrav wrote:
And 57 inches is ~ 4 feet 8 inches.

You made that mistake not me. Nowhere did I ever say it was 6 feet long.
I'm actually pretty strong. It isn't much of a burden at all really.

You do not have a 600 year old, 14 lbs sword. Especially since the sword we are talking about topped off at around 7 lbs (btw 7 x 2 is 14 lbs... ). Its a replica. Don't assume you can tell someone who sword fights you know what you are talking about, on a war gaming forum.

 thegrav wrote:
You do not have a 600 year old, 14 lbs sword. Especially since the sword we are talking about topped off at around 7 lbs (btw 7 x 2 is 14 lbs... ). Its a replica. Don't assume you can tell someone who sword fights you know what you are talking about, on a war gaming forum.

You know what a replica is right......It's a sword modeled after another sword. You're not using that word correctly in the first place. I don't know what you mean by top off. Heroes and kings would have much more ornate swords still expected to see use.
This isn't meant to be a historical replica. It's meant to be a sword made by new age artisans and smiths to make the best sword possible with new materials.
You make assumptions in an argument about my personal gak. There's no way you can do that accurately in your argument. You're not very good at this arguing business.

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 thegrav wrote:
You do not have a 600 year old, 14 lbs sword. Especially since the sword we are talking about topped off at around 7 lbs (btw 7 x 2 is 14 lbs... ). Its a replica. Don't assume you can tell someone who sword fights you know what you are talking about, on a war gaming forum.

Now you're actually off topic in the argument. None of this stops it from being pretty, absurdly durable, and being able to cut large men in two.

"Replica" swords mean the same thing as the "replica" rifles used by Civil War re-enactors. We're using black-powder rifles that are mimics of/copies of those carried in the 1860s... but are not, themselves, from the 1860s. They're fully-functional, but they are not M1861 Springfields.

And the weapon you described is most certainly a sword of modern manufacture. Europe didn't develop platinum usage until the 16th/17th century. That was something the Conquistadors in South America brought back with them. The odds of seeing this appear, in quantity, on a sword are very slim, especially considering that Europe doesn't *have* any platinum mines.

 Psienesis wrote:
"Replica" swords mean the same thing as the "replica" rifles used by Civil War re-enactors. We're using black-powder rifles that are mimics of/copies of those carried in the 1860s... but are not, themselves, from the 1860s. They're fully-functional, but they are not M1861 Springfields.

And the weapon you described is most certainly a sword of modern manufacture. Europe didn't develop platinum usage until the 16th/17th century. That was something the Conquistadors in South America brought back with them. The odds of seeing this appear, in quantity, on a sword are very slim, especially considering that Europe doesn't *have* any platinum mines.

I never said it was historical and I just said in the last post, it was meant to be the prettiest, most durable, sharpest thing you could get with modern materials.
Did you read the comments or are you talking to grav?

Before I start snickering, I'd just like to know ...

Is it made of stainless steel?

 Lynata wrote:
Before I start snickering, I'd just like to know ...

Is it made of stainless steel?

540 isn't stainless. I mentioned the material a good 4 times.

I am guessing... "It is made of pure carbon and SMASHES through planets."

 thegrav wrote:
I am guessing... "It is made of pure carbon and SMASHES through planets."

How big is the blade? Damn. Carbon structure alone doesn't determine strength, if it did diamond would be the strongest material in every way. You do know this right?

You just lost 10 internets, dude.

 thegrav wrote:
You just lost 10 internets, dude.

What are you referring to?
The only thing I see is the smashing instead of cutting argument you made earlier. Which is wrong.
Ahh it's a meme. My rocket is made of pure carbon and smashes through planets.
How do I lose points for not recognizing useless internet junk?

As.;... amuuuuuuuuuusing (and sad) as this conversation is, weren't we talking about guardspeople of the feminine persuasion earlier?

 Melissia wrote:
As.;... amuuuuuuuuuusing (and sad) as this conversation is, weren't we talking about guardspeople of the feminine persuasion earlier?

Again the topic should have ended at "the more bodies the better/ thread".
You've also been in stupider arguments and this one is already at a close by the time you're positing.

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Considering that most sword fights last like, 25 seconds far as I've heard, I don't think cutting someone down in 25 minutes is particularly practical.

Well I could expect stupidity this is too much.
If you swung this thing full force it would cut a large man in two. That same blow would have to be applied to a pine tree in the same spot a good 100 times.
People don't resort to stupid arguments just because you dont agree unless your frontal lobes really are that challenged.
I also remassed the zweihander and it's 14.5 pounds.

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You obviously know nothing about sword fighting. Only a fool would try to swing a sword full force in a real sword fight. That's suicide. Sometimes an answer seems "stupid" because it is an answer given to someone who is ignorant and too foolish to realize it.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Considering that most sword fights last like, 25 seconds far as I've heard, I don't think cutting someone down in 25 minutes is particularly practical.

Well I could expect stupidity this is too much.
If you swung this thing full force it would cut a large man in two. That same blow would have to be applied to a pine tree in the same spot a good 100 times.
People don't resort to stupid arguments just because you dont agree unless your frontal lobes really are that challenged.
I also remassed the zweihander and it's 14.5 pounds.

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You obviously know nothing about sword fighting. Only a fool would try to swing a sword full force in a real sword fight. That's suicide. Sometimes an answer seems "stupid" because it is an answer given to someone who is ignorant and too foolish to realize it.

Hi, guys, as cool as sword fighting is (and it is, especially when neither fighter knows that the other is not really left-handed), can we please keep this on the topic of persons of non-male persuasion in the Imperial Guard? Thanks.

TiamatRoar wrote:

 TheSaintofKilllers wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Considering that most sword fights last like, 25 seconds far as I've heard, I don't think cutting someone down in 25 minutes is particularly practical.

Well I could expect stupidity this is too much.
If you swung this thing full force it would cut a large man in two. That same blow would have to be applied to a pine tree in the same spot a good 100 times.
People don't resort to stupid arguments just because you dont agree unless your frontal lobes really are that challenged.
I also remassed the zweihander and it's 14.5 pounds.

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You obviously know nothing about sword fighting. Only a fool would try to swing a sword full force in a real sword fight. That's suicide. Sometimes an answer seems "stupid" because it is an answer given to someone who is ignorant and too foolish to realize it.

Someone's making assumptions about someone they don't know again...
I just said what would happen if I did. Not that I would ever do it in a fight. And the argument is unbelievably stupid, What the hell would that guy be made out of?
This is also getting reported. Enjoy .

Saint: I sword fight, I am not pulling ideas out of thin air. I am basing my thoughts and as you have decided to call them "arguments" on knowing the science of metallurgy and the martial practice of sword fighting. In the simplest medical relevant terms a heavy sword, for instance an executioners blade or a larger ax, don't cut. They crush the bone, dislocate anatomy and then tear the flesh. Often times heavier swords were not sharpened enough to "cleave a man in two" and often it took two or three swing to even cut off someones head. Even the Katana, which is the geek standard super sharp sword, wouldn't always cut straight through a limb. Our modern concept of beheading and dismembering the human body is a very Hollywood concept. I am no longer being sarcastic or an asshat here. This is just facts based on an understanding of armed combat with edged weapons and human anatomy and physiology.

I am not trying to say that, you personally, are wrong. What I am saying is that a lot of modern conversations on weapons and the understanding of how heavy they are, how sharp they are and what they do is all bs, because largely a Hollywood sword fight is much more interesting and romantic then a real exchange and crossing of blades.

Melissia: You are right...

 thegrav wrote:
Saint: I sword fight, I am not pulling ideas out of thin air. I am basing my thoughts and as you have decided to call them "arguments" on knowing the science of metallurgy and the martial practice of sword fighting. In the simplest medical relevant terms a heavy sword, for instance an executioners blade or a larger ax, don't cut. They crush the bone, dislocate anatomy and then tear the flesh. Often times heavier swords were not sharpened enough to "cleave a man in two" and often it took two or three swing to even cut off someones head. Even the Katana, which is the geek standard super sharp sword, wouldn't always cut straight through a limb. Our modern concept of beheading and dismembering the human body is a very Hollywood concept. I am no longer being sarcastic or an asshat here. This is just facts based on an understanding of armed combat with edged weapons and human anatomy and physiology.

I am not trying to say that, you personally, are wrong. What I am saying is that a lot of modern conversations on weapons and the understanding of how heavy they are, how sharp they are and what they do is all bs, because largely a Hollywood sword fight is much more interesting and romantic then a real exchange and crossing of blades.

Melissia: You are right...

I think a 20 pound sword with a 1 mm thick blade would cut really easily........
An argument is in debate terms a counter to someone's way of seeing something that says contrary.
Messed up a term again.
What evs, I'm done here.
The thread should have ended at the answer "the more bodies the better."

This is the last I will say of this ridiculous concept sword, that I doubt exists, purely based on how you have described it. 1 mm thick? That is .0375 of an inch. At about 15 inches that blade is going to start bending under its own weight. For comparison ~3/16th or .187 of an inch is about the average of how thick a European sword is at the hilt, and ~1/4 or .25 of an inch is the average thickness of a Katana at the hilt.

If you mean 1mm at the blade, that is a dull edge.

Speaking of the Millennium Falcon, IIRC I have maybe 10 - 12 Catachan Female metal models in my IG army. I think they are 3 different styles. But I could be wrong. Also I have been thinking of trying to kit bash my Dire Avengers to be all female. Just going off that Ripley kicks ass concept of wanting female war figs.

Enough with the Internet "sword"-waving. It's off-topic.

Or to quote myself - if the planetary PDF recruits women and they pass basic training there's no reason they couldn't be in the top percentage tithed to the Imperial Guard.

Even for us modern humans who have quite a bit more difference between males and females than, say Neanderthals, physical limits won't (automatically) stop a woman until you reach the very best Special Forces - and those would probably also disqualify 99,9% of Dakka posters automatically.

Slightly/somewhat on-topic, for those who like their armies to be made out of cheesecake, Raging Heroes has published a few updates to their TGG set lately. Definitely not in the same vein as a "realistic" set of minis, and not appropriate for someone looking to do a Cadian-style IG army....

.... but, hey, it's a big Imperium. If you have Planet Cheesecake, required to tithe to the IG, these are the units for you.

I'm also kind of fond of their Malinka character as a Commissar or Inquisitrix, mostly because she has flat-soled boots, and not some ridiculous heels.

Imperial Guardsmen die by the billions every second, in order to fill this quota, women have to be assigned to give births

I don't think Imperial Guard has women cause women can't give birth while fighting

In fact on most Imperial Worlds, women have to give birth to 5 sons or face sever punishments, in one planet, there was a prison of women who are chained down until they give birth to 10 sons

Citation needed.

Spetulhu wrote:Or to quote myself - if the planetary PDF recruits women and they pass basic training there's no reason they couldn't be in the top percentage tithed to the Imperial Guard.

Assuming that the world in question even is one of those that nominates the elite of its PDF. Although commendable and certainly in the spirit of the Emperor's decree, in the 5E Guard Codex this is just one of several methods by which the tithe in troops is paid. Some worlds hold huge contests, for others it is a question of birthright. Yet other planets send condemned prisoners to the Guard, and Necromundan regiments are recruited from the local hive gangs. In the 3E Guard 'dex, you have a letter from some guy who has been recruited into the IG straight from his farmstead. They literally hand you a lasgun, and training lasts for exactly as long as the transport takes until it reaches the warzone.

Even Cadia does not send its top performers for service in the Shock Troops but rather holds a lottery to determine who gets to remain on the planet and who will serve the Emperor elsewhere. Then again, if Cadia's reputation is to be trusted, the common rank-and-file soldier is easily the equal to a less developed or disciplined planet's elite.

There are probably half as many ways to become a Guardsman as there are planets.