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Rapist may have HIV from Greater Manchester victim
A man who has been jailed for raping a woman is waiting to find out whether he has contracted HIV from her.
Richard Thomas was sentenced to five years and four months after admitting raping the woman at her home in Leigh, Greater Manchester.
He knew she was ill but did not know she had HIV and collapsed when police told him, Liverpool Crown Court heard.
Thomas, 27, of Sandringham Drive, Leigh, raped the woman after she had taken a sleeping tablet.
'His own fault'
He said he had been drinking heavily and taken drugs, and could not recall the attack but believed the woman, the court heard.
Thomas had let himself into the house uninvited in the middle of the night and the woman, who had taken a sleeping tablet, awoke to find him raping her.
Harry Pepper, prosecuting, said: "She froze and no words were exchanged. He pulled up his shorts and left."
Judge Mark Brown described the crime as "dreadful".
Thomas is due to find out whether he has contracted HIV later in the week.
His barrister, Virginia Hayton, said: "It is his own fault, if he had not committed this offence he would not have placed himself in this position."
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
LuciusAR wrote: Isn’t it virtually impossible to pass HIV from female to male via vaginal sex?
lol?
Shh, it's that anti-gay propaganda! Lucius, while a normally level headed sort of gent has fallen for the single colored rainbow of the hetero agenda.
Though that statement is probably the most humorous one I've heard in awhile
He's right though...women are more at risk than men.
Medical quotey stuff
Spoiler:
It's much harder for men to get HIV from women,
but it does happen. HIV does not live long outside the body. A man's penis is only exposed to HIV for the time that it is in a vagina or rectum. Men also may have fewer areas on the penis where the virus can enter the body. HIV can enter at the opening of the tip and through cuts or sores on the shaft. But if a partner has an untreated sexually transmitted infection (STI) like syphilis, gonorrhea, or chlamydia, the risk is higher. These infections can bring more CD4 cells to the area of infection, or cause breaks in the skin, both increasing the risk of passing HIV. Meanwhile, women have a higher risk of getting HIV from men. Because HIV is in the man's semen, which can stay in the woman's vagina for days, her exposure time is longer after sex. Also, the vagina provides a much larger area than the penis does through which HIV can enter the woman's body.
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
He's right though...women are more at risk than men.
He didn't say that, he said transmission is virtually impossible... I'll agree it's low, but it's not impossible when you compare it to the other ways of contracting the HIV.
Common ways of Transmission, not including childbirth or blood transfusion: Receptive Butt Sex (either gender): .04% - 3% Insertive Butt Sex: .03% Receptive Vaginal Sex: .05% - .3% Insertive Vaginal Sex: .01% - .38%
And just to show how low those numbers are: Blood Transfusion: 90% Child Birth: 25%
So while it is a low chance that a woman can pass it to a man through vaginal intercourse, the high end of the percentage is actually higher unless my math skills have failed me, but .38 > .3 yes?
Now all of this assumes no condom use. Alf: So, what did we learn today kids? Kids: Wrap it before you tap it.
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I think I've found those figures - , women have 0.04% of transmission to men, Men have a 0.08% chance of transmission to women - in high income areas.
I'm assuming the uk and america count as those - the figures you put were for low income countries
Spoiler:
Estimated HIV transmission risk per exposure for specific activities and events
Activity
Risk-per-exposure
Vaginal sex, female-to-male, studies in high-income countries
0.04% (1:2380)
Vaginal sex, male-to-female, studies in high-income countries
0.08% (1:1234)
Vaginal sex, female-to-male, studies in low-income countries
0.38% (1:263)
Vaginal sex, male-to-female, studies in low-income countries
0.30% (1:333)
Vaginal sex, source partner is asymptomatic
0.07% (1:1428)
Vaginal sex, source partner has late-stage disease
0.55% (1:180)
Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner unknown status
0.27% (1:370)
Receptive anal sex amongst gay men, partner HIV positive
0.82% (1:123)
Receptive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status
0.18% (1:555)
Insertive anal sex, gay men, partner unknown status
0.06% (1:1666)
Insertive anal sex with condom, gay men, partner unknown status
0.04% (1:2500)
Receptive fellatio
Estimates range from 0.00% to 0.04% (1:2500)
Mother-to-child, mother takes at least two weeks antiretroviral therapy
0.8% (1:125)
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
Alf: So, what did we learn today kids?
Kids: Wrap it before you tap it.
Don't be daft, wrap your shaft!
Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
notprop wrote: HIV, AIDs, Gay Sex, Vaginas, pedantry and statistics.
Anyone want to mention Lesbians, guns and National Socialism and we've ticked all the internet boxes for one day and can go to bed early tonight.
*ahem*
Obamacare wishes to restrict the rights of straight men by forcing us to adopt gun-toting lesbians as the nation's workforce in order to spread around all of the country's value... uhh... BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM!
Did I win?
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notprop wrote: HIV, AIDs, Gay Sex, Vaginas, pedantry and statistics.
Anyone want to mention Lesbians, guns and National Socialism and we've ticked all the internet boxes for one day and can go to bed early tonight.
*ahem*
Obamacare wishes to restrict the rights of straight men by forcing us to adopt gun-toting lesbians as the nation's workforce in order to spread around all of the country's value... uhh... BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM! BLAME THE VICTIM!
Did I win?
Obama is also a Muslim and Communist. I double win.
Little orphans in the snow
With nowhere to call a home
Start their singing, singing
Waiting through the summertime
To thaw your hearts in wintertime
That's why they're singing, singing
Someone already living with HIV who was further traumatized, that's some ugly business and my heart goes out to her.
While I can't say I approve of such an affliction as 'karmic retribution' (keep in mind, that this is someone who has proved they are willing to rape, what happens the next time he's free and done a little drinking and decides to get his rape on again? Now he's a potential infection source as well), at the same time I can't argue that he brought this upon himself, whether he was in an altered state of mind or not.
This is dakka - somebody has to mention how you can't take this kind of mathhammer in a vacuum. ...oh wait, there we go.
Only ever slightly more seriously... the risk is already quite low if you look at the pure percentages. But I'd love to know what the sample sizes were. If we're talking percentage of the population, then how high is that 0.3% or whatever in relation to how many people are having sex *without protection*? The risk becomes bloody high if we were to assume that, say, 98% of people use condoms - 0.3% of a 2% remainder suddenly works out to a 15% risk.
I also don't believe the figures can be directly compared, after all, you can't wear a condom for receiving blood or giving birth. That figure of unprotected sexers needs nailing down first.
Alfndrate - can you post a source for your figures please?
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch
I think we need a couple instructional videos of what NOT to do, so that we can prevent exposure to HIV. I believe redtube has an extensive library on educational "dont's" on the matter.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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timetowaste85 wrote: I think we need a couple instructional videos of what NOT to do, so that we can prevent exposure to HIV. I believe redtube has an extensive library on educational "dont's" on the matter.
I should stress to anyone below the required legal age to view mature content online that nobody here is endorsing the searching of and/or subsequent use of the aforementioned 'educational library'. It's bad and you shouldn't do it.
To everyone else: it's great, go crazy.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
timetowaste85 wrote: I think we need a couple instructional videos of what NOT to do, so that we can prevent exposure to HIV. I believe redtube has an extensive library on educational "dont's" on the matter.
I should stress to anyone below the required legal age to view mature content online that nobody here is endorsing the searching of and/or subsequent use of the aforementioned 'educational library'. It's bad and you shouldn't do it.
To everyone else: it's great, go crazy.
Party pooper.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Forar wrote: Someone already living with HIV who was further traumatized, that's some ugly business and my heart goes out to her.
While I can't say I approve of such an affliction as 'karmic retribution' (keep in mind, that this is someone who has proved they are willing to rape, what happens the next time he's free and done a little drinking and decides to get his rape on again? Now he's a potential infection source as well), at the same time I can't argue that he brought this upon himself, whether he was in an altered state of mind or not.
There are alternatives.
1. Don't let him out.
2. Let her at him in a room...with pliers...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Karma is generally accepted by people as being "what goes around comes around". It's probably not how it was intended or is accepted as elsewhere, but this inherited meaning is so ingrained that it being incorrect, as far as its intended meaning is concerned, is unlikely to make much difference. I think that, instead of this potentially turning into a nit-picky debate over what karma is and/or isn't, it might be easier to let it lie.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Depends, what benchmark are you using? Are you using the Buddhist dharma, the Hindu dharma, the karma presented in Zhuan Falun, or 20th century western karma as presented by people who genuinely believe that bad things happen to bad people and we can all move mountains and cure illnesses by being pseudo intellectuals?
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He didn't say that, he said transmission is virtually impossible... I'll agree it's low, but it's not impossible when you compare it to the other ways of contracting the HIV.
As this was rape there is a good chance of vaginal bleeding, if this happened then his chances of contracting HIV would be significantly higher.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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"Hard pressed on my right. My centre is yielding. Impossible to manoeuvre. Situation excellent. I am attacking." - General Ferdinand Foch 
