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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 12:04:15
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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xruslanx wrote:
Well maybe if it was an advert for GW, sure. Not an advert for a single store in the USA. Clearly, that evidence is useless, yes?
common sense will also dictate that GW Heads wouldn't approve of a commercial that is not in line with their business model.
I can see where this is going to go. You are going to continue "demanding evidence" for something that you know full well I don't have. No, I can't prove that adults are the guys spending huge amounts of money. Top job old fella.
Common sense would also dictate that statements backed with evidence trumps statements without evidence. Top job, indeed.
As I say, I also cannot prove that diamond encrusted rings are bought by adults.
You most certainly could. One way is to look at the target demographic of diamond companies. Another is to look at the sales record of diamond dealers. Everything that is "common sense" should be verifiable with proof.
Also unlike you I accept that *I* do not have hard evidence to back up what I am saying.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's like saying to the judge: "Well yes your honor I don't have evidence to back my claim and the other party has evidence, but at least I'm honest!"
Doesn't really help your case now, does it? But kudos on your honesty!
Common sense would also dictate that a statement like this:
"Demographic Criteria: At least 500,000 total population within 10 miles with 33,000+ 14- to 24-year-old males. Median household income is at least $50,000."
you, know, an age demographic that clearly shows teens in their target demographic, I dunno, maybe they're targeted at teens? Maybe I'm just crazy.
Did you not see my earlier post or something? For that to be valid evidence you'd need to prove that a majority of GW's sales are in their stores (this despite there being swathes of new releases that are not even available in stores).
It also ignores pre-existing stores, battle bunkers and suchlike. Just because a company is *expanding* in a certain area it doesn't mean that makes up its core market, it means the opposite - GW want to build stores near kids because all the adults around will already be ordering off the internet anyway.
So yes, that "evidence" is debunked.
From GW's own page itself:
Demographics: Games Workshop targets a highly desirable demographic; educated, affluent, and well-behaved 14- to 24-year-old males and their families.
Source: https://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?start=&articleCatId=&aId=3500005&categoryId=&catId=&pIndex=&communityArticleCatId=§ion=&singlePageMode=true
It's not just about store expansion: that's their real demographic. Says so on their website.
I rest my case.
Unless you want to argue that the official website has been hacked or whatever, some act of God, or that GW is lying to us.
Common sense would dictate that you know, you're wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 12:05:33
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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It's interesting that you regard men in their early twenties as being children. I'm 24 years old and I'm pretty sure I'm not a kid.
Would you say that 18-24 year olds are children? Because if not then you've proved nothing. I claimed that GW was mainly sold to young men with disposable incomes, you've included a data set that includes both mine *and* yours claims so it's really not relevent.
So yet again. Debunked, try again.
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The plural of codex is codexes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 12:08:42
Subject: Re:Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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It's interesting that you disregarded the 14 year old part. But as long as you're clutching at straws, whatever works, right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 12:10:16
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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Dakka Veteran
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It's obvious the way that this discussion is going. You have no intention of having a rational discussion so I'll just leave you to it.
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The plural of codex is codexes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 12:12:19
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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At least he put forward an ad clearly aimed at kids rather than just saying 'but this makes more sense to me'.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 12:13:22
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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xruslanx wrote:It's obvious the way that this discussion is going. You have no intention of having a rational discussion so I'll just leave you to it.
So far I'm rational. I actually use logic, and back up my claims with actual evidence.
Please stop ignoring evidence just because it proves you're wrong. Automatically Appended Next Post: jonolikespie wrote:[
Why is this still a discussion? Yes it makes sense for them to market to adults but the only evidence put forward so far in this thread is that they have made TV ads aimed at children (and their parents).
There's also the stuff in GW's website itself that specifically states their target market, which includes teens. I think that's pretty irrefutable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 15:56:42
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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Preacher of the Emperor
At a Place, Making Dolls Great Again
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Rayvon wrote:
Whats this supposed to mean ?
My friends and I have been playing them just fine since about 1988.
There are a few bits here and there in the recent edition, that seem like they could be left out, but I dont recall ever having a problem playing any of the games tbh.
well here's the thing, I'm not you.
I was born in 89, so had to start in the uncool year of 2002... I recall problems with playing the games, things I don't like, hence why I think its unplayable
the thread asked for my opinion and I gave it my opinion, it wasn't "give someone else's opinion"
that's fine you enjoy it, I don't, at all.
and yeah I could not play, but that money I spent sure would be a waste if I didn't... once upon a time I did spend money on GW's stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 17:21:25
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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I think we can sum this thread up in a few words:
Whether or not you think that GW games are worth playing on their merits is entirely based on personal choice.
Can we just say that please?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 17:32:07
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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ExNoctemNacimur wrote:I think we can sum this thread up in a few words:
Whether or not you think that GW games are worth playing on their merits is entirely based on personal choice.
Can we just say that please?
No! This is the Internet, and we cannot be reasonable on the Internet!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/22 19:02:28
Subject: Is 40K or WHFB (both current) editions, a game worth playing on its own merits?
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Either way, this thread has lived out its natural life.
Locking thread.
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