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 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
The game is way too complex for my tastes and has way too great a burden of knowledge. A completely insane number of matches end up with an "oh, I thought that worked a different way" at a critical point that might have decided the game, even amongst experienced players.

More and more, I agree with this. After playing warmahordes for several years now, I've come to the conclusion that I'll never know enough to truly feel comfortable playing. It's a big turn off for me. I've gravitated back to simpler games where the "burden of knowledge", as you say, isn't so high.

It sounds like the depth of the game is giving players trouble and that is a player by player issue. I love WMH because of its depth and that it rewards skill and experience. Its only natural that this would be a deterent for some players. For those who feel this way, I'd recommend finding another game that better suites you. There are plenty of casual WMH players as well. Be clear with the opponents you choose that you're a casual player and want a more relaxed game. It can go a long way to removing the "GOTCHA" factor, which honestly starts to decline after playing awhile. Another option is to ask your local PG to help you if you are struggling. Reach out to the community for support which is very strong and welcoming, not to mention the hundred podcasts which release tons of great info on the game and helps build community.

Anything that requires skill also in turn requires dedicated time to harness and build upon that skill. If you look at the players who are consistently placing high at tournaments, you realize how much they practice, dojo, and think about the game on a daily basis. If you're a casual player or do not get to play as often, this will take that much longer to accomplish. There are many games that require less time investment and are fun, but for me, nothing has come close to Warmachine & Hordes.

I literally cannot believe this thread...

1. This is a hobby where incredibly complex ideas are abstracted into rules for highly diverse miniature models. ALL of these games, bar stuff like X-wing, etc... are going to have nuance and complexity, especially because of all that abstraction.

2. I was a long time high level Malifaux player before switching games, and coming to hate Malifaux. If you want to see a clunky mess of rules, bad verbage, etc... that one is it. WM/H looks like connect-4 compared to Malifaux. :-p

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I literally cannot believe this thread...

I literally cannot believe you brought this thread back after two weeks. I thought it was dead...

Someone please please just finish it off.