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Basically managed to get this today, really excited and it looks and even smells awesome. It's 11pm here in the UK and I've been with this all day, if you have any questions please feel free to fire away but bare in mind I'll only be on for another hour or so, although I'll happily answer more tomorrow.



I'm thinking Raven Guard but the Ultramarines traits are fantastic.

Any major fluff changes or additions that you could see?

Overall, does it have a broader focus than the previous book? Do other Chapters get more fluff and such?

Do black templars keep 2special weaps for 5 man?

Troike:

It's a very broad focus, it covers all of the first foundings and notable successors in seperate decent sized sections. It covers a good spectrum with good detail, also the creation/maintaining of space marines is also expanded.

Phatonic:

No, only one Initiate can carry a special weapon, one may carry a heavy weapon and one can carry a power weapon/fist.

Although a sword brother (sargeant) can take items from the melee/ranged items section.

Time to remodel mah termies...

hey hi,
nice of you to give some answers, i'm sure it will help anxiety and lower the blood pressure of many people...
I didn't follow the huge threads about the upcoming release so maybe it is already known,
Did the landspeeders(aside from the storm getting DT) change in cost.?
I also heard that techmarines and MOTF got excluded from the foc (as in they don't use one slot) is that true?
Thanks a lot for your time....

 krados wrote:
hey hi,
nice of you to give some answers, i'm sure it will help anxiety and lower the blood pressure of many people...
I didn't follow the huge threads about the upcoming release so maybe it is already known,
Did the landspeeders(aside from the storm getting DT) change in cost.?
I also heard that techmarines and MOTF got excluded from the foc (as in they don't use one slot) is that true?
Thanks a lot for your time....

Base cost is the same, same options as before, Assault cannon upgrade is now 10pts cheaper, typhoon upgrade is 15pts cheaper, the other options are the same. (*compared against army builder providing those are correct.)

Also from what I understand the MotF does take up the slot, but for every other HQ in your army you may take a Techmarine that does not take up a slot.

I think a lot of people were curious to see if there was any fluff about the Tau, and why Spess Mahreens are Battle Brothers with them now.

Thanks a lot for sharing! Could you please tell me if the librarian in terminator armor can still take a Storm shield? I would hate to have to remodel mine...

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
I think a lot of people were curious to see if there was any fluff about the Tau, and why Spess Mahreens are Battle Brothers with them now.

I haven't read the fluff section extensively, but as of yet I've seen no mention as to the relationship between Tau/SM, I'll take a look and get back to you on this, I was more aiming for rules queries to be honest.


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 ectoplastic wrote:
Thanks a lot for sharing! Could you please tell me if the librarian in terminator armor can still take a Storm shield? I would hate to have to remodel mine...

Yes he can still take a storm shield in Terminator Armour, and for 5pts cheaper than before (I don't think it's okies for me to post actual points values so I hope that helps)

The question came up in a different thread, so what equipment can the Command Squad vets actually take?

With regards to a white scars army, does a captain on bike make one or all bike squads onto troops?

 Shadox wrote:
The question came up in a different thread, so what equipment can the Command Squad vets actually take?

This is taken from the army building section at the back.

One veteran may take a company standard or a standard of the emperor ascendant.
One may be upgraded to a Company Champion (gets a power weapon and a combat shield)
One may be upgraded to an apothecary (gets narthecium)
Entire squad can be equipped with bikes.
Any veteran may take: Meltabombs or Storm Shields
Any veteran may replace his bolt pistol/chainsword for a bolter/bolt pistol
Any veteran may take items from the melee and or ranged weapons lists. (Ranged = storm bolter, combi weapons, grav/plasma pistols or Melee = Power weapons, Lightning Claws, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer)


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 edbradders wrote:
With regards to a white scars army, does a captain on bike make one or all bike squads onto troops?

He makes all bike squads into troops instead of fast attack for that detachment provided the bike squad is at least five models strong.

Are Storm Landspeeders dedicated transports for Scouts as reported?

thanks for the quick answer,
As for point cost,yeah i think you are just vague enough any clearer than that might get the thread closed or GW might dispatch a quick response team to your location.
As for Stormshield librairian i was almost hoping you'd say no,even tough i want one and got all the bitz for it(I got one of those sweet stormshields from CH, would have been a shame to put it on a ``lesser man``), it is still not assembled,so that would have been an upside to my slow work...
Ther isn't many of those.

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
Are Storm Landspeeders dedicated transports for Scouts as reported?

Yes they are, Landspeeder Storms are also 5pts cheaper and come with the same equipment.

 Rysaer wrote:
Any veteran may take items from the melee and or ranged weapons lists. (Special weapons etc., doesn't seem to be a limit but the book is not well laid out for this)

So Special Weapons are on the Ranged Weapon list then or do they have their on list (which the Command Squad would not have access to)?

Thank you for doing this btw!

Nice, I didn't so much doubt the rumour, but it makes me rest a little easier to have it confirmed, especially as I brought a second one last week.

For Shadox:

I just updated the post, I've found the section now.

The Ranged/Melee in the start of the book labels everything, there is a shortlist near the army building section which lists this:

Ranged = storm bolter, combi weapons, grav/plasma pistols

Melee = Power weapons, Lightning Claws, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer

Sorry about that Shadox I'm still getting used to the format etc, hopefully my next answers will be clearer off the bat

Can the new aa-rhinos shoot at ground units or are they just like space marine hydras?

tommse wrote:
Can the new aa-rhinos shoot at ground units or are they just like space marine hydras?

I assume you mean the Hunter/Stalkers?

They do not have Interceptor, so they can only shoot at ground units as snap shots I believe (they only have skyfire.)

 Rysaer wrote:
For Shadox:

I just updated the post, I've found the section now.

The Ranged/Melee in the start of the book labels everything, there is a shortlist near the army building section which lists this:

Ranged = storm bolter, combi weapons, grav/plasma pistols

Melee = Power weapons, Lightning Claws, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer

Ah thank you, so no Meltaguns for them...
They now seem just to be a poor imitation of the Sternguard who does not fill a foc-slot.

 Shadox wrote:

 Rysaer wrote:
For Shadox:

I just updated the post, I've found the section now.

The Ranged/Melee in the start of the book labels everything, there is a shortlist near the army building section which lists this:

Ranged = storm bolter, combi weapons, grav/plasma pistols

Melee = Power weapons, Lightning Claws, Power Fist, Thunder Hammer

Ah thank you, so no Meltaguns for them...
They now seem just to be a poor imitation of the Sternguard who does not fill a foc-slot.

No but you could get them Combi-Meltas I guess if you wanted but if thats the case, you are right to just take sternguard instead.

Do Thunderfires actually have barrage now?

How well written is it?

Are there any initial issues with internal balance you can see.

 tomjoad wrote:
Do Thunderfires actually have barrage now?

Yes all 3 firing modes have Barrage in their profile.


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 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:
How well written is it?

Are there any initial issues with internal balance you can see.

It's fairly well written, although it can be badly laid out in some areas, particularly wargear.

In terms of balance I wouldn't like to say without trying it on the table, in terms of the units and costs everything seems fairly costed and not much has changed for units from the previous SM book, the Hunter/Stalker and the Centurions look to be quite fair and not too overpowered but without trying them out, I've no real comment, I'll hopefully get a game in asap and get back to you on that.

I got the book too, I'll be on for a bit if you guys got questions

 Ravenous D wrote:
I got the book too, I'll be on for a bit if you guys got questions

Thanks thats great timing, as it is now 01:00am here and I need to be up for work at 06:00am.

I'll be around all day later on guys, so if you post anything up I'll try to answer as soon as I possibly can.

Do vanilla marines have access to power field generators, displacer fields, or conversion fields?

Also can their grenade launchers fire rad and stasis grenades?

Grndhog89 wrote:
Do vanilla marines have access to power field generators, displacer fields, or conversion fields?

Also can their grenade launchers fire rad and stasis grenades?

I haven't seen anything like that in the book. There is the standard astartes grenade launcher but it only fires frag and krak as per normal.