New Space Marine Book (Got it early)

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**Instinctual**

dracpanzer wrote:
Vanguard Vets get melee weapons from the list as per DA prices. But they get Storm Shields for a dime.

Just glancing at the unit entries. Seems characters are given the option to buy wargear from the individual lists. Some models "may take" items from the wargear lists, and where the models "may replace" weapons the point costs are given within that specific unit entry.

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hivetyrant765 wrote:
do crimson fists use the tactics of imperial fists, or are they like the templars?

They're listed (though they get an entire 2 pages of pics/fluff) amongst the Imperial Fists successors. Says specifically on pg 77 "a detachment from the Crimson Fists uses the Chapter Tactics of the Imperial Fists."

Woots, looks like my Lysander Model can keep his CF colors

**NickTheButcher**

Why would Lysander have an Iron Halo listed on his Wargear if he has a Stormshield..........

**Crazyterran**

NickTheButcher wrote:
Why would Lysander have an Iron Halo listed on his Wargear if he has a Stormshield..........

Can't a vindicare assassin remove one of them?

So now he combats the assassins he's supposed to work with by having an extra shield!

**Krellnus**

NickTheButcher wrote:
Why would Lysander have an Iron Halo listed on his Wargear if he has a Stormshield..........

Probably just for the sake of completeness, he is still a Captain after all.

**Basimpo**

The rumors I heard about this new book had me worried about the Space Marines becoming super OP. Honestly after glancing through it a couple of times, its really not that bad. Some more spice thrown in on the Nilla marines. To be quite honest, grav-weapons had me worried but after reading the actual rule, and seeing their availability, they are Meh.

**Kangodo**

Nevermind, they can be used as CCW, they aren't classified as Melee though.

Nocturnus wrote:
I am wondering about the Legion of the Damned's special/heavy weapon costs. I had read they were reduced. Can you confirm if this is true? Also, can you give points cost, using whatever code you like
Thanks in advance. Cheers.

Same cost as everyone else, you just take weapons from the list. And it are Heavy Weapons only! No special Weapons.
One may take a flamer, melta or plasma for some points.

And no, I won't give you points.
Nor will I tell you to download the scanned codex, it's perfect quality.
Because that's not allowed.

**Puscifer**

Well at least the rumour of not having bike armies was bogus.

You can have squads of five as troops. Not just one per CM or Captain, but all troops as long as you meet the size criteria.

**marv335**

Full size (6) unit of dev Centurions can certainly lay on the hurt.
18-30 shots from Grav Cannons will ruin someones day (plus the 18/36 shots from the hurricane bolters), not cheap at coming on for 500pts, but certainly destructive.
Also DevCents can take a land raider as a dedicated transport, as can AssCents.

**Veteran Sergeant**

Rysaer wrote:
Crimson wrote:
So it seems bikes cannot actually take special weapons. Special Weapons armoury says that a model can exchange a boltgun or a melee weapon for one of the special weapons. Only weapon that the bikers have is a bolt pistol...

It replaces the boltgun on the bike as per normal? Thats how I always took it anyway.

That's never been "normal".

Space Marine bikes in the past always traded their bolt pistols for whatever special weapon they took. The twin linked boltguns are an integral part of the bike model, and have been for over 20 years, lol.

**Tiger9gamer**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Rysaer wrote:
Crimson wrote:
So it seems bikes cannot actually take special weapons. Special Weapons armoury says that a model can exchange a boltgun or a melee weapon for one of the special weapons. Only weapon that the bikers have is a bolt pistol...

It replaces the boltgun on the bike as per normal? Thats how I always took it anyway.
That's never been "normal".

Space Marine bikes in the past always traded their bolt pistols for whatever special weapon they took. The twin linked boltguns are an integral part of the bike model, and have been for over 20 years, lol.

This argument on biker weapons kinda makes me sad... If it's all the same and until an FAQ hits, i'll ask if I can use them anyways, If enough people have no problems, then I suppose this won't be a big deal...

**Vaktathi**

I don't think most people will mind, but if it came up in a tournament, an opposing player would have room to stand if they said "that's illegal". I'm sure it's something that will get FAQ'd, makes the option unusable otherwise.

**Tiger9gamer**

Vaktathi wrote:
I don't think most people will mind, but if it came up in a tournament, an opposing player would have room to stand if they said "that's illegal". I'm sure it's something that will get FAQ'd, makes the option unusable otherwise.

Good thing i'm not a tournament player then

not all the time at least.

**The Grumpy Eldar**

I've been reading around here that Sternguard can take 2 weapons from the heavy-weapons and special-weapons lists (Forgot if combi weapons count as special?), is this per 5 men or per 10? If so, that means that they can only bring just 2 combi guns, 3 if the sergant can take one to?

And where does it say in the codex that Tacti squads can't take Heavy Flamers? I had a quick peek in store to look at it, but it didn't say anywere that they couldn't.

**Tiger9gamer**

The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
I've been reading around here that Sternguard can take 2 weapons from the heavy-weapons and special-weapons lists (Forgot if combi weapons count as special?), is this per 5 men or per 10? If so, that means that they can only bring just 2 combi guns, 3 if the sergant can take one to?

And where does it say in the codex that Tacti squads can't take Heavy Flamers? I had a quick peek in store to look at it, but it didn't say anywere that they couldn't.

Tos save people trouble, it has a note near it. Only legion of the damned and Sternguard can have it.

**The Grumpy Eldar**

Odd, the only note next to it I saw said something about Terminators.

**Veteran Sergeant**

The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
I've been reading around here that Sternguard can take 2 weapons from the heavy-weapons and special-weapons lists (Forgot if combi weapons count as special?), is this per 5 men or per 10? If so, that means that they can only bring just 2 combi guns, 3 if the sergant can take one to?

Any model can have a combi or stormbolter.
Up to two Veterans can have a heavy or special weapon.

Neither is limited by the number of models in the squad.

And where does it say in the codex that Tacti squads can't take Heavy Flamers? I had a quick peek in store to look at it, but it didn't say anywere that they couldn't.

Annotated on the Heavy Weapons section of the Space Marines Wargear List which all units use to purchase their upgrades. 1. Sternguard Veterans and Legion of the Damned Only.

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The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
Odd, the only note next to it I saw said something about Terminators.

The Terminator entry has its own listing for replacing the stormbolter with a heavy flamer that is independent of the Wargear List.

**stargasm**

I heard mention of a Relic Chainsword? Is this a viable option for a Captain? any hint of point costs and what it does would be greatly appreciated!

**Veteran Sergeant**

Teeth of Terra.

S+2, AP3, Rampage, Strikedown, Specialist Weapon USRs.

And yes, can be taken by any of the generic HQ slot choices.

**stargasm**

That sounds pretty cool! I've always liked the look of captains with chainswords for some reason. any hint on points?

eg "so many points more/ less than ....."

**NickTheButcher**

stargasm wrote:
That sounds pretty cool! I've always liked the look of captains with chainswords for some reason. any hint on points?

eg "so many points more/ less than ....."

Same as a rhino.

**stargasm**

Thanks! that's one pricey weapon for an average character, but i do likes me chainswords!

**Kangodo**

Those relics are all expensive, the cheapest one is around half a Rhino and the Chainsword is number 2.

**Henshini**

I'm kind of annoyed that you can't take grav weapons on any of the snp/relentless models other than centurions. No combi grav for terminator characters and no grav rifle for legion of the damned.

**Kangodo**

Bikers are relentless and can take 3 Grav-weapons in a minimum-size unit

**Carnage43**

Kangodo wrote:
Bikers are relentless and can take 3 Grav-weapons in a minimum-size unit

2 and a combi...in theory.

Since the wording is switching out a bolter or CCW for the special weapon, and bikers have neither, that means bikers cannot even use special weapons ATM....technically.

**timetowaste85**

If bikers weren't allowed to take them, they wouldn't be allowed to. They can take them fine, it's just a RAI vs RAW what gun gets sacrificed in order to have them.

**Ravenous D**

yeah but who is going to argue that? And even if they do you know that that is the guy you avoid playing.

**Nobody_Holme**

Its a dumb typing error, anyone outside of a tournament who argues it is a total arse. In a tournament, well, whatever goes.

**Ravenous D**

I just went on my ipad to see if I can pull it up on the army builder feature and turns out the advertised army builder feature is not there. Jesus Christ GW.

**Puscifer**

Quick question...

I bought the codex (thankfully not on the iPad) and I'm trying to see if you can take three bikes and an attack bike as a single troops choice for a mounted CM or Captain.

Is that legal? Does the Attack Bike counts as two models?