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RoninXiC wrote:
Well.. I really don't need a codex until the shipment of Raging Heroes miniatures arrives at my place... thus.. June 2016?

Alert! Alert! A shamefully negative thread has spilled over to this one!

Noir wrote:
Wasn't the WD sisters a 5th ed based "codex".

Yes, their current codex is a 5e one.

Best Pone has a good track record so far, so I'm pretty optimistic on this (as I believe it to be more likely than I normally would).

I see two real ways this could go:

1. GW puts everything out as is with a few design tweaks, and maybe reshuffling the unit descriptions into a more traditional order (HQs together, SCs together, ect).

2. GW updates the rules a bit (nothing major, namely adjusting points costs, adds in some relics and Warlord traits to tide us over, and maybe tweaks the Act of Faith rules a little so they aren't just proto-USRs from the rulebook but instead the actual USRs they represent or new, different rules that aren't stolen from the rulebook's rough draft).

I see either of these as equally possible as neither requires a massive amount of work (no new fluff, units, ect). I honestly hope for the latter however because it'd be throwing the army a little love at least and expanding the kind of things it can do (Relic options could potentially make the Canoness better, 10 or 11 point Sisters means that you could take more of them).

Either way we just need to wait and see what GW does here, but I think there is potential for GW to do something decent with this and I'm interested to see what they do this time.

Personally, I see 1. as the more likely outcome. The key thing here is the models, they can apparently make them in plastic now. Bearing this in mind, to me this supposed digital release seems like a move to "take them off of the backburner". Now that they apparently have solid plans to do an SoB update, a PDF of the current rules could be a way to get people interested in and maybe even playing them, so as to prime them for a big model/codex update.

2. seems unlikely to me. It's essentially a new codex without an actual, physical codex being released. Not to mention that a new codex would likely add new units, which would be awkward without concurrent new models, which we probably would have heard about by now. Nah, what I expect is updated rules to come alongside new models and a physical codex, lots of fanfare and hype so as to better blitzkreig our wallets.

Just speculation on my part, mind you.

Edit: additionally, 2. seems unlikely also because it's doing half a job. Why bother doing a minor update to give them trappings of a 6e codex, only to have to go back later to work on making an an "actual" codex update, with all of the work it entails? Just seems like an odd way to go about it.

 Troike wrote:
Personally, I see 1. as the more likely outcome. The key thing here is the models, they can apparently make them in plastic now. Bearing this in mind, to me this supposed digital release seems like a move to "take them off of the backburner". Now that they apparently have solid plans to do an SoB update, a PDF of the current rules could be a way to get people interested in and maybe even playing them, so as to prime them for a big model/codex update.

2. seems unlikely to me. It's essentially a new codex without an actual, physical codex being released. Not to mention that a new codex would likely add new units, which would be awkward without concurrent new models, which we probably would have heard about by now. Nah, what I expect is updated rules to come alongside new models and a physical codex, lots of fanfare and hype so as to better blitzkreig our wallets.

Just speculation on my part, mind you.

That's a fair assessment, I just think there is room for a qausi-update in there. They don't have to do it honestly, and I'm by no means demanding it, but I feel they have the room to do it, and I rather hope they do.

Any one thinking plastic Sisters are going to be magically Cheaper are kidding themselves. They probably won't be cheaper then metals, just easier to work with.

Its strange that there aren't Sisters, now. since it could be done with basically 1.5 sprues. Seen the GK power armor sprue? Do exactly that. One Sprue. One Sprue could give you Celestians,, Battle Sisters, Seraphim, and Dominion Squads. Add in a character sprue for HQ, and Bam. Done.

Is it every option from the old Witch hunters? No. But gods it would shut people up

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Any one thinking plastic Sisters are going to be magically Cheaper are kidding themselves. They probably won't be cheaper then metals, just easier to work with.

Part count would go up though so the price staying the same would at least be exchanged with a higher bit count and that means more customization.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Its strange that there aren't Sisters, now. since it could be done with basically 1.5 sprues. Seen the GK power armor sprue? Do exactly that. One Sprue. One Sprue could give you Celestians,, Battle Sisters, Seraphim, and Dominion Squads. Add in a character sprue for HQ, and Bam. Done.

Is it every option from the old Witch hunters? No. But gods it would shut people up

There have been some casting related issues GW had to work out that kept them from proceeding further. Undercuts, and sleeves namely had to be worked around.

And nothing will get people to shut up. Have you not learned that from the internet yet?

That was like 4 years ago.

I think they moved on since then.

yukihyou wrote:


That was like 4 years ago.

I think they moved on since then.

Phil Kelly said it was the reason Sisters hadn't gotten plastic models being related to a number of issues that had to be worked out prior to being able to proceed with them at Enter the Citadel, which was only a couple months ago. And the rumors of Sisters being held back while they worked out the issues (which DE helped solve) where as recent as 2011, when Sisters got their WD codex, that was 2 years ago.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Any one thinking plastic Sisters are going to be magically Cheaper are kidding themselves. They probably won't be cheaper then metals, just easier to work with.

Its strange that there aren't Sisters, now. since it could be done with basically 1.5 sprues. Seen the GK power armor sprue? Do exactly that. One Sprue. One Sprue could give you Celestians,, Battle Sisters, Seraphim, and Dominion Squads. Add in a character sprue for HQ, and Bam. Done.

Is it every option from the old Witch hunters? No. But gods it would shut people up

I'd be surprised not to see plastic sisters be cheaper. 10 standard bolter sisters currently cost $57.50. A 10 Man tactical squad is $40.

why isnt third party producing sisters? people want them and since GW never cares to produce what customers want. They have got so much time, but they have absolutely no sense of reality. I would say its a morally open ground. oh If I knew how to, I would start making third party sisters tonight

Or just maybe GW isn't crazy and the market isn't that interested in Sisters right now.

That doesn't mean that it's not GW fault that demand is down, and that they couldn't create interest in the future.

SlyasR wrote:
why isnt third party producing sisters? people want them and since GW never cares to produce what customers want. They have got so much time, but they have absolutely no sense of reality. I would say its a morally open ground. oh If I knew how to, I would start making third party sisters tonight

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/loudnraging/raging-heroes-the-toughest-girls-of-the-galaxy

There ARE third party producers of sister like miniatures... you just need to wait a year or so until they are released. But I'm quite sure that they'll look stunningly awesome!

ClockworkZion wrote:

yukihyou wrote:


That was like 4 years ago.

I think they moved on since then.

Phil Kelly said it was the reason Sisters hadn't gotten plastic models being related to a number of issues that had to be worked out prior to being able to proceed with them at Enter the Citadel, which was only a couple months ago. And the rumors of Sisters being held back while they worked out the issues (which DE helped solve) where as recent as 2011, when Sisters got their WD codex, that was 2 years ago.

But that IS the same exact excuse he has been using for 4 years. Way before the get you by list.

 d-usa wrote:
Or just maybe GW isn't crazy and the market isn't that interested in Sisters right now.

That doesn't mean that it's not GW fault that demand is down, and that they couldn't create interest in the future.

no actually there is a market, GW just dont care or are otherwise unwilling. The situation is very much like GW trying to sell people a blue car. the people say no, we want a red car. they try again, dont you want a blue? no we would like a red. ok we meet you half ways and sell you a blue... no one is buying. hmm I guess cars dont sell that good says GW.

I mean, o my FSM! I know this comes of like GW rant but this company is being run like if they were in an ideal communist dream. they dont even care to satisfy the customer with its cravings because they seem to believe that money just roll in from the kind government party. (no dissresp. for ideal communism though). Almost anything they do is a miss because they dont have any touch with reality. I do think they have people collecting marketing data, but they obviously dont look at it.

yukihyou wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

yukihyou wrote:


That was like 4 years ago.

I think they moved on since then.

Phil Kelly said it was the reason Sisters hadn't gotten plastic models being related to a number of issues that had to be worked out prior to being able to proceed with them at Enter the Citadel, which was only a couple months ago. And the rumors of Sisters being held back while they worked out the issues (which DE helped solve) where as recent as 2011, when Sisters got their WD codex, that was 2 years ago.

But that IS the same exact excuse he has been using for 4 years. Way before the get you by list.

Doesn't make it less true.

Back during 5th most armies had a 18 month development cycle from start to finish (I assume it's about like that now, if not a little shorter due to the smaller number of new units being added in at a time now). Dark Eldar had one measured in years as Jes Goodwin worked on and off on all the new models and then making them castable in plastic.. Sisters appear to be following that trend fairly closely and for good reason, they, like the old Dark Eldar have a mostly metal army that has enough detail and character in it's designs that it can't be just shat out in a year and a half, and if GW was having issues casting the approved designs then they would likely look at putting them on the shelf for a bit while the problem was worked on without just replacing the designs and starting the cycle all over again.

So it doesn't mean that repeatedly stating the same thing, makes what they claim to not be true, it makes it just a reinforcement that they're coming, just not this year.

ClockworkZion wrote:

yukihyou wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

yukihyou wrote:


That was like 4 years ago.

I think they moved on since then.

Phil Kelly said it was the reason Sisters hadn't gotten plastic models being related to a number of issues that had to be worked out prior to being able to proceed with them at Enter the Citadel, which was only a couple months ago. And the rumors of Sisters being held back while they worked out the issues (which DE helped solve) where as recent as 2011, when Sisters got their WD codex, that was 2 years ago.

But that IS the same exact excuse he has been using for 4 years. Way before the get you by list.

Doesn't make it less true.

Back during 5th most armies had a 18 month development cycle from start to finish (I assume it's about like that now, if not a little shorter due to the smaller number of new units being added in at a time now). Dark Eldar had one measured in years as Jes Goodwin worked on and off on all the new models and then making them castable in plastic.. Sisters appear to be following that trend fairly closely and for good reason, they, like the old Dark Eldar have a mostly metal army that has enough detail and character in it's designs that it can't be just shat out in a year and a half, and if GW was having issues casting the approved designs then they would likely look at putting them on the shelf for a bit while the problem was worked on without just replacing the designs and starting the cycle all over again.

So it doesn't mean that repeatedly stating the same thing, makes what they claim to not be true, it makes it just a reinforcement that they're coming, just not this year.

I honestly wish I had known entered the Citadel was like this, because I would have prefer this to GD. And would have prefer an actual discussion to oh here is some releases we have had already .

Perhaps It does not make it less true, But with the fantastic capes / cloth on the DV CSM I think they have solved this. I think JJ has very little input these days, from what I was told he is a figurehead only.

SlyasR wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Or just maybe GW isn't crazy and the market isn't that interested in Sisters right now.

That doesn't mean that it's not GW fault that demand is down, and that they couldn't create interest in the future.

no actually there is a market, GW just dont care or are otherwise unwilling.

Why are all third-party manufacturers (who have no problem making not-SM, not-IG, not-Orks) refusing to meet that demand?

There is one company willing to make some not-Sisters, and the are not even willing to take the risk of producing them without up-front financing from the people who want to buy them.

So I really wonder if GW and every third-party company is either too stupid to meet that great demand, or if the people on the internet are wrong about just how much of a demand there is for the Sororitas. But if nobody is willing to just sculpt up a count-as third party Sororitas army to take advantage of the community that is just itching to spend all their money on sisters, without making the community front the money first, then I doubt that GW is the idiot here.

But again, if the demand isn't there (and I don't think it is considering the lack of action from third-party companies) then it is at least party to blame on GW for letting that particular brand go stale.

Maybe, just maybe, GW isn't a bunch of idiots though. Maybe, just maybe, they are thinking about releasing a Digital DW Codex (at minimal upfront expense and risk) to see if the community can get excited about the sisters, to track downloads and see if sales of current models increase. See if demand increases, and then meet it.

But I'm just guessing, just like most everybody else in this thread.

 d-usa wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, they are thinking about releasing a Digital DW Codex (at minimal upfront expense and risk) to see if the community can get excited about the sisters, to track downloads and see if sales of current models increase. See if demand increases, and then meet it.

Don't think that's the case. Prior to this rumour, this was posted:

-Sisters of Battle are definitely in the works, but still some way off, according to Jerv

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?34864-Gamesday-Germany-2013-Master-Roundup/page2

Why would he say that if they were still unsure about doing them? There's also that bit in the OP where BrassAngel says that several writers have said that a new codex is underway. I doubt that we'd have devs being so overt about it if they were undecided. And again, Dark Eldar happened. There's a precedent here.

As for guaging excitement, they already have ways of doing that. GW Customer Service gets a lot of emails about them. Fans ask about them lot. Models sell despite their high price and being all metal. They're likely aware that there's enthusiasm there.

 Troike wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, they are thinking about releasing a Digital DW Codex (at minimal upfront expense and risk) to see if the community can get excited about the sisters, to track downloads and see if sales of current models increase. See if demand increases, and then meet it.

Don't think that's the case. Prior to this rumour, this was posted:

-Sisters of Battle are definitely in the works, but still some way off, according to Jerv

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?34864-Gamesday-Germany-2013-Master-Roundup/page2

Why would he say that if they were still unsure about doing them? There's also that bit in the OP where BrassAngel says that several writers have said that a new codex is underway. I doubt that we'd have devs being so overt about it if they were undecided. And again, Dark Eldar happened. There's a precedent here.

As for guaging excitement, they already have ways of doing that. GW Customer Service gets a lot of emails about them. Fans ask about them lot.Models sell despite their high price and being all metal. They're likely aware that there's enthusiasm there.

So much enthusiasm that for a time GW refused to answer questions about Sisters because they were tired of getting them all the time.

here was then a question about what people wanted to see

Sisters of Battle plastics and codex
Genestealer Cults
Lost and the Damned
Xenos Terrain
A Tyranid model to put the Wraithknight and Riptide to shame
More factionalisation and customisation

A couple of these ones got some further points. It was mentioned that originally there had been a technical problem with developing Sisters plastics, but that Games Workshop would now have the technology to be able to do them.


I included the whole quote for relevance.

Games Workshop and customer service thats a laugh. They have gone from the best CS to simply the WORST

Locrian wrote:

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
Any one thinking plastic Sisters are going to be magically Cheaper are kidding themselves. They probably won't be cheaper then metals, just easier to work with.

Its strange that there aren't Sisters, now. since it could be done with basically 1.5 sprues. Seen the GK power armor sprue? Do exactly that. One Sprue. One Sprue could give you Celestians,, Battle Sisters, Seraphim, and Dominion Squads. Add in a character sprue for HQ, and Bam. Done.

Is it every option from the old Witch hunters? No. But gods it would shut people up

I'd be surprised not to see plastic sisters be cheaper. 10 standard bolter sisters currently cost $57.50. A 10 Man tactical squad is $40.

A 10 man box that'd for their star attraction. There are far more 5 man boxes at that price point or higher. It wouldn't be out of character to charge 50 for ten. Technically cheaper? Perhaps. But its not the cheaper that people think of when they think of plastic.

yukihyou wrote:
here was then a question about what people wanted to see

Sisters of Battle plastics and codex
Genestealer Cults
Lost and the Damned
Xenos Terrain
A Tyranid model to put the Wraithknight and Riptide to shame
More factionalisation and customisation

A couple of these ones got some further points. It was mentioned that originally there had been a technical problem with developing Sisters plastics, but that Games Workshop would now have the technology to be able to do them.


I included the whole quote for relevance.

Games Workshop and customer service thats a laugh. They have gone from the best CS to simply the WORST

-nm-

I'm not a SoB player (sorry), but I do have a Grey Knights army purely because GW released the old Daemonhunters codex as a free PDF when they ran out of physical copies about 6 months before the 5th edition update. I downloaded it (and the Witch Hunters PDF) and found the fluff interesting and the models cool, so here I am.

It always amazes me that the continually ignore the ability to hook people in by giving them a taste of an army for free; the amount I've paid for the Grey Knight and Inquisitorial models, plus then the new codex, makes any profit they would have made from selling the PDF look trivial and they probably wouldn't have got any of it if I'd had to pay for the PDF, because I wouldn't have bought it in the first place!

Edit for spelling

whitetornado wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Disbelieve.

GW painted itself into a corner on SoB models, they don't want to keep them in metal, don't want to do them in Finecast, and don't have new ones ready to go.

So why support something when they have few/no models to sell right now?

I say turn it over to Forgeworld. Let them make great models and do the sisters justice. If the alternative is standing around waiting for an answer to show up and ultimately doing nothing, i think forgeworld would be a better choice.

I mostly just lurk on this board these days, and I've never considered myself a rumormonger, AND I don't know the name of the guy who I spoke to... but:

When I was at Gen Con, at the GW/FW booth, I asked a guy behind the counter, one, if he had an Aquilla to sell me, and two, if GW was ever going to print Sisters of Battle, again.

He said, "Sisters of What?"

I said, "Thank you. I needed to hear that. I feel I have closure, now." And I started walking away.

Then he said, "In all seriousness, though, if you're following the Heresy storyline that the Forgeworld books are doing, you'll know an organization similar to the sisters is coming up in the narrative."

I said, "You're just jerking me around, now."

He said, "Oh, the Aquilla is out of print, these days."

I had no idea what he was referring to as far as the similar organization, but a friend of mine that was with me said it might be the Sisters of Silence? I don't know. Anyhow, that's what was said to me. I think he was jerking me around, but I don't know. Only seemed relevant to post after reading your comment.

Sisters of Silence is an obvious force to add for The Heresy. But cool as they are, they're absolutely *not* Adepta Sororitas...

Valete,

JohnS

The Sisters update has been rumoured for years. If it had happened 2-3 years ago, I'd probably still be playing 40K.

 Elemental wrote:
The Sisters update has been rumoured for years. If it had happened 2-3 years ago, I'd probably still be playing 40K.

Yeah, but that was Ghost21 claiming that and we found out that he's a liar so I wouldn't count it honestly.

There were old rumors about models being worked on, but that's not the same thing as the codex being updated.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Only what, two years late? Better late than never, I suppose.

What kind of Sisters fans wouldn't buy their own Codex when it was published?

This only hurt the prospect of new players. But it doesn't seem like GW has been terribly interested in cultivating new players for the SOB at the moment. I'd assume it has to do with the supply/demand of the metal models when they deal almost exclusively in plastic and resin now.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
What kind of Sisters fans wouldn't buy their own Codex when it was published?

A poor one?