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Ok, so I pride myself on taking unconventional lists to tournements and doing well with them.
I came up with the idea list after losing my beloved footseer councils when the new codex dropped

So my new seer council is as follows

Eldrad
Spiritseer with wraithforge stone
Spiritseer with guardian helm
3x spiritseer

2x3 bikes with cannon
10 axeguards

6 warpspiders 1 exarch with spinneret rifle, fastshot and power blades

3 scatterlaser warwalkers
2x scatter laser, bright lance wraithlords with ghost glaive.

The obscene defensive and offensive potential of the wraith blade unit when hanging out with eldrad and the 5 seers is simply monstrous. Every wraith can issue/ accept challenges and the seers provide 2 wound models to soak a few wounds. Not to mention you must kill 6 wraithblades before average toughness goes to 3. And it can take a lot of fire to kill 5 toughness 6 models with Rerollable 3+/4++ models XD

It has a massive footprint and the fire coming from the spiders, walkers and lords is surprisingly efficient.
I've played this list against dark eldar, tau and necrons with resounding success and look forward to the c and c you folks provide

Just wondering, been playtesting different eldar lists recently how are you going to keep your 2x3 bikes alive to capture objectives.

Also

Mobile armies like the new white scars, seem like they will give you trouble hits on 3 wounds on 3 (grav guns) ap 2 your at a 4++ or 3++ rerollable (if you get it) but tbh thats not that great.

Thunderfire cannons will kill the bikes very quickly and than you only have 1 scoring unit that isn't fast enough to wipe the enemy.

If your having a good time and its working my only suggestions are to lose the cannons on bikes, your never going to want to put them into line of sight of anything.

Also not sure why the warpsider exarch has power blades what are you charging with them?

Keep them in reserves and out of los.

And truthfully I'm not extremely scared of any ap2 weaponry with that unit. The toughness 6 and Rerollable invul makes them extremely resilient.

Bikes aren't high priority targets with 1/3 of the board covered by that wraithguard unit. Warp spiders in your back field and wraithlords and warwalkers blasting away

And the unit is not quite as slow as it seems. With 10 rolls on the runes of battle I'm fairly likely to get quicken atleast once. So they move 6+d6+3" a turn until its time to charge a plethora of targets if I need to :-)

And the exarch has those blades because he is modeled with it haha

Grav weapons wound based on your armor save.

While that is true, if I leave the guard at their 3+ save it wounds the same as plasma. Also, what happens if I decide to keep my warlock closest to the grav guns? They don't have an armor save, so you cannot wound with those weapons ;-)

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:
While that is true, if I leave the guard at their 3+ save it wounds the same as plasma. Also, what happens if I decide to keep my warlock closest to the grav guns? They don't have an armor save, so you cannot wound with those weapons ;-)

Ooh, I bet that'd make some new Marine players more than a little unhappy...ha!

I like this list, just wondering how you would adapt it to 1500 if possible?

For normal games I think this list looks like alot of fun and could definitely win games. But as your put tourney list you have to consider your opponents being better than a normal everyday game, in play style and in list building.

Grav weapons don't have a ruleing on mixed save units yet so if it takes majority its a 3+ and if not than you are safe from them but not plasma.

The real problem I have is still with the bikes, in a tournoment where there is a better playerbase they are going to be targeted and killed. 6 wounds with tough 4 and a 3+ save are so easy to take down its not even funny.

I have played alot of games trying to take objectives with 3 man bike units, if you know that this is the last turn and are going 2nd than great they work, I get it. If your going first, or if there is a random game length between turn 5/6 (normally not in a tournoment as time caps the turns but who knows) than you are Scotch out of luck because you have to put the bikes on the objectives on 5 and if it goes on they are dead.

But tbh its the going first that really kills this list. And your 50/50 for going first when your opponent tells you to

Thunderfire cannons, necrons, other flyers, riptides, helldrakes all take them out extremely easily. All of them are tournoment units normally spammed.

Lastly you have the pie plate problem, Riptides are str 8 ap 2 will hit with with either guide or being attached to a commander or even just markerlited and you will have 2-3 if you face a competative tau list, oh they also ignore cover (commander or lights). So against them your seers are basically 1 wound models with a 4+ rerollable best case scenario (since your not garanteed fortune and it has to go off if you get it). 3 Pie plates later you will find that your shiney beat stick just got shot to pieces turn one while being half a table away. Broadsides intercepted your warp spiders and the warwalkers and wraithlords can be dealt with in time

I think this list could be alot of fun to play but its just not competative, basically every competative army will clear your objective grabbers and tau riptide spam just has your number written all over it.

@ homeskillet: haha, that's what I thought too XD

@colgado: I would drop off the spiders and one seer. That leaves you with 20 points to spend as you wish :-)


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@ Tiber54

Thanks :-) I understand and realize your point about opponent skill very well. I plan on mitigating issues like that in a number of ways I.e. deployment and LOS blocking. Unfortunately tau and nids are the only real rough match ups and I feel I can deal with them well enough.

Those wraith blades can manage turn two charges if the opponent makes a mistake in deployment. If not I can make turn two psychic shrieks XD. Having battle focus on them and the lords is deceptively powerful.

Due to base size this unit can spread out incredibly well and they all come with 4++ so its a 50% chance to save. And thunderfire cannons are laughably ineffective against this unit.
And no drakes dont do anything to armor 2+ wraithblades XD

And riptide spam is unlikely to make this unit disappear in one turn but is one list I feel I can beat although with much difficulty XD .

Thunderfire cannons, necrons, other flyers, riptides, helldrakes all take them out extremely easily. All of them are tournoment units normally spammed.

Was geared at 2/3 of your scoring units.

All of the top armies have a way to counter your scoring units.

You have a serious weakness against one of the top tournoment contenders (Riptide spam)

Even your own warp spider unit would do a decent job if they got the right angle.

Still going with fun game yes, tourney list no.

 Homeskillet wrote:

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:
While that is true, if I leave the guard at their 3+ save it wounds the same as plasma. Also, what happens if I decide to keep my warlock closest to the grav guns? They don't have an armor save, so you cannot wound with those weapons ;-)

Ooh, I bet that'd make some new Marine players more than a little unhappy...ha!

If I remember reading correctly if you don't have an armor save then it wounds on a 6+

@ tiber55
Ohhhh well that's 100% correct then haha. BUT! Understanding that fact simply requires utilizing LOS blocking terrain to prevent that. Not sure fire 100% guaranteed, but in this game nothing is XD. I appreciate your c&c. And ill report back in a month with my successes and failures XD

@ enigma crisis. If that is correct, it costs as much as plasma and wounds as badly as a lasgun XD ill take it haha.

tiber55 wrote:
Thunderfire cannons, necrons, other flyers, riptides, helldrakes all take them out extremely easily. All of them are tournoment units normally spammed.

Was geared at 2/3 of your scoring units.

All of the top armies have a way to counter your scoring units.

You have a serious weakness against one of the top tournoment contenders (Riptide spam)

Even your own warp spider unit would do a decent job if they got the right angle.

Still going with fun game yes, tourney list no.

how do TF canons good against wraith?

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:
@ tiber55
Ohhhh well that's 100% correct then haha. BUT! Understanding that fact simply requires utilizing LOS blocking terrain to prevent that. Not sure fire 100% guaranteed, but in this game nothing is XD. I appreciate your c&c. And ill report back in a month with my successes and failures XD

@ enigma crisis. If that is correct, it costs as much as plasma and wounds as badly as a lasgun XD ill take it haha.

Which is why you would fire the Bolters on the bikes instead of the Grav guns in the case of the Warlocks being up front.

Sure, but your still getting into 2+ look out sirs onto 2+ armor, average squad toughness 6 or a failed look out sir onto a 4++ two wound model. E.I. chances of bolted wounds doing much? Not good

Also Bikes are pretty quick and can easily get around the "Seer-screen" to get you your Blades as that unit has a gigantic foot-print. Space Marines have LotD and Sternguard that can deepstrike in and do some damage with meltas and the like as well.