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Hey Guys,
I used to paint and play (made up my own rules) WH40K back in school bout 18 years ago now so as you can see its been quite awhile and for the last few years ive been painting Anime resin figures and mechs. The other day i was walking past my local GW shop and i came across the Eldar Wraithknight in the window and it was beautiful well after an hour walking round town i had to go back and have another look except this time i went inside to query. After speaking to the guy in the shop for awhile about how much the quality of the kits have changed since back then and looking at all the cool armys and such i left but cant seem to get it out of my head i really want to paint the Eldar Wraithknight but also an army so my question to everyone is if im gonna paint an Eldar army i might as well learn to play again but what do i need? is there any point in getting the starter kit?

Plz Help

I think its great to see so many people coming back after being out of the hobby for years. I recently got back into it myself after a 10 year vacation. I don't know a great deal about the Eldar, but Wraithknights, Wave Serpents, Jetbikes seem to be pretty popular & effective.

Hey Dfinni, I finally got to the point recently where I decide I was done just buying and collecting Eldar models that I wanted to paint in the future and decided it was time to get an army set up. Being that it has been about 3 years since I last played I went out and got the two army starter set myself. A buddy also did the same and what we did was I gave him all the Dark Angels in trade for all his Chaos Marines.

This worked for me as my main army is Word Bearers. For you I would guess, and this is a guess that you probably need to nab the big rulebook. I picked up the Eldar Codex on my Tablet, but I also plan on getting a hard copy for my self. It is just easier for me to carry my tablet around with game notes and all that.

As far as army composition and what models to buy, Dakka's Army Build forum has some great and very different build ideas to refer too, and most of us love giving WAY to much of our opinion. The other thing I am personally planning to do, is to start attending my local shops 40k Nights as a spectator. Really see what Eldar players are doing and how it works.

Hope I helped?

Hi thanks for the replies.

I too have also got the Eldar codex on my ipad and also got the 6th edition rulebook is that all i really need out of the starter set?
I just dont wanna end up buying more than i need obviously i know of the little things to get such as dice and tape measure but i dont wanna end up buying just the things i like in GW painting them and doing nothing with them except gather dust.
This may be a daft question but is there an unwritten rule on colour scheme? Like i said it`s been that long.
I suppose another question would be are the Eldar a bit complex to start off with? Am I better off learning with a starter set and whats included? Possibly building my Eldar army as i learn the game.

Any help is greatly appreciated

dfinni wrote:
Hi thanks for the replies.

I too have also got the Eldar codex on my ipad and also got the 6th edition rulebook is that all i really need out of the starter set?
I just dont wanna end up buying more than i need obviously i know of the little things to get such as dice and tape measure but i dont wanna end up buying just the things i like in GW painting them and doing nothing with them except gather dust.
This may be a daft question but is there an unwritten rule on colour scheme? Like i said it`s been that long.
I suppose another question would be are the Eldar a bit complex to start off with? Am I better off learning with a starter set and whats included? Possibly building my Eldar army as i learn the game.

Any help is greatly appreciated

I'm not familiar with the "Eldar Starter Set" your referring to, but the basic things you will need are the Rulebook, Eldar Codex, Measuring Tape, Dice/Scatter Dice & Blast Templates. I believe there is also a Eldar supplement that has special rules for a particular Eldar army but its optional. Regarding color scheme, you can paint your miniatures any way you wish. Generally people gravitate towards one particular chapter/regiment of a particular army they like & use a color scheme that fits that particular chapter/regiment etc. For example, I play Imperial Guard Steel Legion:



So I tend to pick colors/shades that I feel are fitting for a Steel Legion army. My suggestion would be if your really into Eldar, to do some more research & see if there is a Eldar theme/fluff that you gravitate towards & maybe use it as a inspiration. Otherwise you can just create your own fluff for your army & paint it any way you wish. As far as what units to buy, again I'm not to familiar with Eldar but Wraithknights, Jebikes, Wave Serpeants, are very popular which in tabletop games usually translates to powerful/highly recommended for competitive play.

1. Someone to play against.
2. Rule book.
3. Codex.
4. Dice plus scatter dice. If you don’t already have a scatter dice just pick up a GW dice cube
5. Print the templates from the back of the rulebook.

That is all you need to start. I am not an Eldar player but I’m pretty sure a Wraith Night is a popular choice and I would imagine a nice centre piece for your army.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar
Here is a nice wiki style guide to the elder if you are looking for army colours, markings, etc. The main thing to remember though is there are no rules as to how you paint your army.

Have fun and welcome back

Hi there.

If you want to build your Eldar army around the Wraithknight, you'll want to look at the Iyanden Craftworld.
They specialise in Wraiths, meaning you'll get to use the 3/4 types quite a bit.

Stuff you'll need:
Rule book: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440162a&prodId=prod2160089a
-Look on 2nd-hand sites for the paperback, though, if the cost offends. There's the bigger hardback book, if you want the extra fluff and guides.
Templates: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1620014a
-Again, the green plastic ones from the starter set might do you better.
Tape Measure http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1620016a
or this http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440151a&prodId=prod1095492
-Hardware store, far cheaper.
Dice: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440150a&prodId=prod1600018
-Go to your FLGS for dice, but you will need a scatter die that comes in this set.
Eldar codex: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440238a&prodId=prod2060036a
-This and the rule book are the only bits you really need. The rest you can usually borrow.

Optional:
Craftworld book: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440238a&prodId=prod2100012a
Psychic cards: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1620034a
Eldar cards: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440238a&prodId=prod2060048a

If you just want to use Wraithknights in a normal Eldar force, the Iyanden book isn't needed. I heard you can use one as the warlord, so you get to bling it to the gills
Look at the Tau for other robot-type models. You can even use both armies on the table at once, with the allies rules in the current 40k version.

If you know someone who will take the Dark Angels and Chaos stuff off you, the starter set http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440162a&prodId=prod1700019a is great. You'll get the rules, dice and templates.

I'm not familiar with the "Eldar Starter Set" your referring to, quote]

It isnt a Eldar starter set ive been looking at sorry for not being clearer its just the box standard which i believe is dark millenium at the moment but please correct me if im wrong.

Good to know i can basically choose my own colour scheme although i will look into the chapter/regiment you were referring to and maybe find 1 i lean towards


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 vim_the_good wrote:
1. Someone to play against.
2. Rule book.
3. Codex.
4. Dice plus scatter dice. If you don’t already have a scatter dice just pick up a GW dice cube
5. Print the templates from the back of the rulebook.

That is all you need to start. I am not an Eldar player but I’m pretty sure a Wraith Night is a popular choice and I would imagine a nice centre piece for your army.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar
Here is a nice wiki style guide to the elder if you are looking for army colours, markings, etc. The main thing to remember though is there are no rules as to how you paint your army.

Have fun and welcome back

Thank you i do hope to have lots of fun and luckily a friend is also looking into this with me so ill have at least 1 person to play against haha but i will venture along to my GW shop and meet new people and just learn a lot of things from there.

Thanks for the link i will check that out and maybe get some ideas


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 Skinnereal wrote:
Hi there.

If you want to build your Eldar army around the Wraithknight, you'll want to look at the Iyanden Craftworld.
They specialise in Wraiths, meaning you'll get to use the 3/4 types quite a bit.

Stuff you'll need:
Rule book: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440162a&prodId=prod2160089a
-Look on 2nd-hand sites for the paperback, though, if the cost offends. There's the bigger hardback book, if you want the extra fluff and guides.
Templates: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1620014a
-Again, the green plastic ones from the starter set might do you better.
Tape Measure http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1620016a
or this http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440151a&prodId=prod1095492
-Hardware store, far cheaper.
Dice: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440150a&prodId=prod1600018
-Go to your FLGS for dice, but you will need a scatter die that comes in this set.
Eldar codex: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440238a&prodId=prod2060036a
-This and the rule book are the only bits you really need. The rest you can usually borrow.

Optional:
Craftworld book: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440238a&prodId=prod2100012a
Psychic cards: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1620034a
Eldar cards: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440238a&prodId=prod2060048a

If you just want to use Wraithknights in a normal Eldar force, the Iyanden book isn't needed. I heard you can use one as the warlord, so you get to bling it to the gills
Look at the Tau for other robot-type models. You can even use both armies on the table at once, with the allies rules in the current 40k version.

If you know someone who will take the Dark Angels and Chaos stuff off you, the starter set http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440162a&prodId=prod1700019a is great. You'll get the rules, dice and templates.

Wow thank you for all the link greatly appreciated least now i know what i ideally should be looking for.

I dont quite understand what you mean with using in normal Eldar force, the lyanden book isnt needed?

Thats awesome about the allies rules as ive also been looking at the Tau Empire cos they have some pretty cool looking mechs, would they have to be a different colour to the Eldar army to show that its an allied force or would that yet again not really matter and be my preference?

I dont quite understand what you mean with using in normal Eldar force, the lyanden book isnt needed?

The Iyanden supplement only adds a few new rules and options, I think, but it is very-much based on the Wraithknight, Wraithlords and both types of Wraithguard.
So, if you want to have more choice when building an Eldar army around Wraiths, that book should be useful.
But, all the units in there are in the Eldar Codex, too. To use the supplement, you need to have Eldar Codex, so get that first. Get an idea of what you can do with that, then try to get a look in the Iyanden book. Once you know what the extra rules and options do, decide whether to get it or not.

You could paint up the Tau the same as the Eldar, but they're supposed to be easily separated on the table. The idea of allies is that a different army joins in, but is not actually part of the main army.
So, paint them differently, and everyone's happy. Or, paint them the same, but expect someone to object and ask you to make them apart somehow.

 Skinnereal wrote:

I dont quite understand what you mean with using in normal Eldar force, the lyanden book isnt needed?

The Iyanden supplement only adds a few new rules and options, I think, but it is very-much based on the Wraithknight, Wraithlords and both types of Wraithguard.
So, if you want to have more choice when building an Eldar army around Wraiths, that book should be useful.
But, all the units in there are in the Eldar Codex, too. To use the supplement, you need to have Eldar Codex, so get that first. Get an idea of what you can do with that, then try to get a look in the Iyanden book. Once you know what the extra rules and options do, decide whether to get it or not.

You could paint up the Tau the same as the Eldar, but they're supposed to be easily separated on the table. The idea of allies is that a different army joins in, but is not actually part of the main army.
So, paint them differently, and everyone's happy. Or, paint them the same, but expect someone to object and ask you to make them apart somehow.

Excellent thank you very much for clearing that up for me. i may look into that later on once i have an understanding of the game again and am ready to take to the next level.

Tbh i think id paint them a different skin anyway so i dont confuse myself either lol. And your response to it is as much as i expected you to put but thank you so much for all your help if there is anything else you think of please let me know

The only reason you want to get the Dark Vegenance starter set is if you want to start collecting Dark Angles/Marines or Chaos.

If you don't want them, you don't need it, since you already have the rule book. If you have friends who would like to play but not collect/start GW hobby, and you don't have anyone else to play with, then it would be good to get it, so your friends have something to play with you.

This way you will get the mini book for them to use and you will get dice as well if you don't have that already.

Hope this helps.

Davor wrote:
The only reason you want to get the Dark Vegenance starter set is if you want to start collecting Dark Angles/Marines or Chaos.

If you don't want them, you don't need it, since you already have the rule book. If you have friends who would like to play but not collect/start GW hobby, and you don't have anyone else to play with, then it would be good to get it, so your friends have something to play with you.

This way you will get the mini book for them to use and you will get dice as well if you don't have that already.

Hope this helps.

That is a brilliant idea i never thought of that even though i had considered buying and painting another army so i can play with friends but that really does kill 2 birds with 1 stone and can slowly add to it then or at least make a kickass diorama

You know, you don't have to play if you don't want to.. I have 3 prime examples.

First, a guy at our flgs loves painting and playing, hates the fluff.... he doesn't know a single thing about any army... but he plays them all

Next, we have a gig who likes the fluff, and the painting, but hates playing.... he makes dioramas instead

Finally, there is a man who works at the shop who doesn't play or know any fluff, he just like the kits. He paints them and sets them up to look nice.

But since you want to start playing...... everything you need is listed above

 aapch45 wrote:
You know, you don't have to play if you don't want to.. I have 3 prime examples.

First, a guy at our flgs loves painting and playing, hates the fluff.... he doesn't know a single thing about any army... but he plays them all

Next, we have a gig who likes the fluff, and the painting, but hates playing.... he makes dioramas instead

Finally, there is a man who works at the shop who doesn't play or know any fluff, he just like the kits. He paints them and sets them up to look nice.

But since you want to start playing...... everything you need is listed above

Yeah initially i was just wanting to paint them and do dioramas but if im spending all that money why not learn to play also, it was fun when i was younger with my made up rules so i may pick it up a lot easier now or it may still confuse me if so i just paint them and make dioramas.