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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/01 20:51:46
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
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whembly wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote:
I never quite got this. Why would you do that? I wasn't really paying attention to the news at the time so I'm quite sure what she didn't/did do. Please enlighten me.
She's was the Secretary of State... meaning, she's in charge and bears all responsibility.
Fortunately, she did say it's her respsonsibility, (during an interview in South America if I remember right), so give her kudos for that. But, it's one thing to say "it's my fault" and keep the job, than to say... "I fethed up and here's my resignation letter".
That one good thing you can say about Donald Rumsfeld... he TRIED to submit is resignation after the Abu-Gharib incident knowly that it falls to him,.. but, Bush wouldn't accept it (which was a huge mistake imo).
In many ways, I feel like Hillary (and Kerry) is treating this position as " a stepping stone " and not treating it with the respect it deserves.
Thanks, I always like to know why people feel the way they do before passing judgement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/01 23:45:24
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Then what's your judgement? o.O
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/01 23:48:25
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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Wise Ethereal with Bodyguard
Catskills in NYS
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote:Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens BaronIveagh wrote:Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/01 23:53:22
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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heh... good one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 05:30:42
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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whembly wrote:
That one good thing you can say about Donald Rumsfeld... he TRIED to submit is resignation after the Abu-Gharib incident knowly that it falls to him,.. but, Bush wouldn't accept it (which was a huge mistake imo).
It could be argued that the refusal of the Rumsfeld resignation was an assertion of civilian control over the military.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 15:33:45
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Wing Commander
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I lost my sympathy for Benghazi's "victims" when my Civil War battery did a a memorial for the seals that died there and the wife of the commander called me the "cancer that was killing America" in front of a crowd.
I know how to play a trumpet pretty well, so at the event I played taps, and was invited to attend the after party for the memorial, I then was able to speak to attendee's which was cool (cause navy seal vets were attending), but then after I mentioned video games while speaking with father this lady refereed to me as noted earlier "The cancer thats killing America", she also went on to give a speech above how evil video games and big government is.
Me and my father promptly left. So yeah, if the widows of this "tragedy" want to use there husbands deaths to push political points then they can feth off.
So if your pissed at Obama or Hillary for the handling of these deaths, be even more pissed the so called victims familys are using there loved ones deaths to push political issues all the same.
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 15:36:34
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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er...what?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 15:45:05
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Thats exactly what I thought when the wife of a dead soldier used her husbands death as a soap box.
Take it as you will, this story among others is why when these things happens I reserve judgement.
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 15:46:10
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Alexzandvar wrote:
Thats exactly what I thought when the wife of a dead soldier used her husbands death as a soap box.
Take it as you will, this story among others is why when these things happens I reserve judgement.
Nothing new about that. Doesn't mean you stop being sympathetic.
Was Riley Sheehans death any less horrible because his mom went full flying rodent gak crazy?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 16:06:49
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Wing Commander
Firehawk 1st Armored Regimental Headquarters
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djones520 wrote: Alexzandvar wrote:
Thats exactly what I thought when the wife of a dead soldier used her husbands death as a soap box.
Take it as you will, this story among others is why when these things happens I reserve judgement.
Nothing new about that. Doesn't mean you stop being sympathetic.
Was Riley Sheehans death any less horrible because his mom went full flying rodent gak crazy?
Coming from a military family Iv been more groomed to just see soldiers dying just as a "thing that happens" when it comes to war zones, so I don't really feel that angry about navy seals dying in the line of duty, since, well, that's the job description.
tragedy comes into play when you say, have a vet who comes home to no work or doesn't get the proper mental healthcare. but again, soldiers dying in the field, nothing new under the sun.
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 16:12:28
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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dogma wrote: whembly wrote:
That one good thing you can say about Donald Rumsfeld... he TRIED to submit is resignation after the Abu-Gharib incident knowly that it falls to him,.. but, Bush wouldn't accept it (which was a huge mistake imo).
It could be argued that the refusal of the Rumsfeld resignation was an assertion of civilian control over the military.
O.o really?
Never thought of it in that way...
Still think it was a mistake for Bush to not accept is resignation as it also because a huge political liability.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 16:19:30
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If he wanted to quit he could have quit.
Playing the "he refused my resignation" card is just an excuse for continuing to suck.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 16:33:31
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Imperial Admiral
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Alexzandvar wrote:Coming from a military family Iv been more groomed to just see soldiers dying just as a "thing that happens" when it comes to war zones, so I don't really feel that angry about navy seals dying in the line of duty, since, well, that's the job description.
tragedy comes into play when you say, have a vet who comes home to no work or doesn't get the proper mental healthcare. but again, soldiers dying in the field, nothing new under the sun.
I'd give thought to pumping the brakes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 16:34:50
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Seaward wrote: Alexzandvar wrote:Coming from a military family Iv been more groomed to just see soldiers dying just as a "thing that happens" when it comes to war zones, so I don't really feel that angry about navy seals dying in the line of duty, since, well, that's the job description.
tragedy comes into play when you say, have a vet who comes home to no work or doesn't get the proper mental healthcare. but again, soldiers dying in the field, nothing new under the sun.
I'd give thought to pumping the brakes.
Yeah...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 16:49:50
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Wing Commander
Firehawk 1st Armored Regimental Headquarters
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Sorry if I sound nihilistic but Iv never really been all that upset over it. I just see getting mad at soldier dying like getting mad at the wind for blowing or the sun for shining.
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 16:52:42
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Fate-Controlling Farseer
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Alexzandvar wrote:Sorry if I sound nihilistic but Iv never really been all that upset over it. I just see getting mad at soldier dying like getting mad at the wind for blowing or the sun for shining.
Well, they were Vets, they weren't active duty. And secondly, even if they are active service members, you still get "worked up" about it, especially if the perception is they were just left there to die. That is not how we treat our own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 17:07:20
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Wing Commander
Firehawk 1st Armored Regimental Headquarters
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djones520 wrote: Alexzandvar wrote:Sorry if I sound nihilistic but Iv never really been all that upset over it. I just see getting mad at soldier dying like getting mad at the wind for blowing or the sun for shining.
Well, they were Vets, they weren't active duty. And secondly, even if they are active service members, you still get "worked up" about it, especially if the perception is they were just left there to die. That is not how we treat our own.
They died in service of there country, a good death. I shall quote Montgomery, "To lead soldiers you must accept that soldiers die, its our way of life, or rather, way of death". And they were not left to die, they were put in a hard situation and lost but I very much doubt there was a decision among high command to the effect of "Who cares let them die" more likely why they were left to there fate was miscommunication and bureaucracy.
EDIT: Oh and if your uppity about being left to die not being how we treat our own, then you have had your head in the sand if its nesscary some must be left to die for long term success we do it, this has been demonstrated multiple times in US Military history.
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
"This great fortress was a gift to the Blood Ravens from the legendary Imperial Fists. When asked about it Chapter Master Pugh was reported to say: "THEY TOOK WHAT!?"" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 17:43:57
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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I'm lost for words at the moment...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 17:46:13
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Imperial Admiral
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Alexzandvar wrote:Sorry if I sound nihilistic but Iv never really been all that upset over it. I just see getting mad at soldier dying like getting mad at the wind for blowing or the sun for shining.
It doesn't sound nihilistic. It does sound rather dismissive of a sacrifice a lot of people consider to be something approaching sacrosanct.
You're obviously welcome to your views, of course. That's the great thing about this country. A grieving mother said something you consider flying rodent gak about you at a memorial service for her son, so you no longer feel victims deserve sympathy? Fair enough, I guess, though I think that's a reaction born of an emotional response to being slighted rather than a logical position.
For my part, I'd happily let the mother of a SEAL killed doing his job - or the mother of an aviation electrician's mate who died in an accident during a peacetime float, for that matter - throw rotten eggs at me in town square at high noon, if it made her feel better. Everybody's got loony relatives. Who knows? Maybe she simply objected to you bringing up video games at a memorial service. I wasn't there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 18:01:11
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Wing Commander
Firehawk 1st Armored Regimental Headquarters
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I was discussing what I was going to do when we got home to my father, and this was after the service, at the after party.
And this was a wife, not a mother.
And no Im not going to let her throw hate speech at me if it makes her feel better, losing your husband doesn't excuse you from society rules on conduct.
and I do regard a soldiers sacrifice as a sacred one, but as one that is not new under the sun. My family has died for this country since the revolutionary war, I do not regard my ancestors deaths lightly, but I also understand they did what they did as there duty, not as something the were unfairly subjected to.
A soldier dying is not "unfair" and it isnt "tragic" its just how life works.
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/02 18:21:20
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Wait, you were a student and she jumped on you? Either what you were discussing was inappropriate given the setting, or she's nuts due to her grief. There's more to the story methinks.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/04 22:30:18
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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U.S. seeking Al Qaeda terrorist linked to Benghazi attack
The U.S. government is trying to apprehend an al Qaeda terrorist wanted for his role in the 2012 Benghazi terrorist attack that killed four Americans.
The suspect, Muhammad Jamal, was imprisoned in Egypt last fall and in September was being held by the Egyptian government. His current whereabouts could not be confirmed, said U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. One official said Jamal remains in Egyptian custody, contrary to reports that he was in Yemen.
Jamal was labeled a designated terrorist by the United Nations Oct. 18, identifying him and the group he formed, the Muhammad Jamal Network, as linked to the Sept. 11, 2012, Benghazi attack.
Four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, were killed during an assault on a diplomatic compound and a nearby CIA facility in the Libyan port city.
The identification of Jamal as an al Qaeda member linked to the Benghazi attack contradicts a recent New York Times investigative report that concluded there was no evidence al Qaeda or foreign terrorists were behind the Benghazi attack that is currently the subject of several congressional inquiries.
A CIA spokesman declined to comment when asked if al Qaeda is linked to the Benghazi attack.
So... now what?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/04 23:06:06
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Alexzandvar wrote: djones520 wrote: Alexzandvar wrote:
Thats exactly what I thought when the wife of a dead soldier used her husbands death as a soap box.
Take it as you will, this story among others is why when these things happens I reserve judgement.
Nothing new about that. Doesn't mean you stop being sympathetic.
Was Riley Sheehans death any less horrible because his mom went full flying rodent gak crazy?
Coming from a military family Iv been more groomed to just see soldiers dying just as a "thing that happens" when it comes to war zones, so I don't really feel that angry about navy seals dying in the line of duty, since, well, that's the job description.
tragedy comes into play when you say, have a vet who comes home to no work or doesn't get the proper mental healthcare. but again, soldiers dying in the field, nothing new under the sun.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of military service have you seen? When you were talking video games were you talking about how cool some death scenes were in a military style game? It just seems like you're leaving a lot out in your story of treating soldiers dying as another day at the office, or as you put it "the wind blowing or the sun shining".
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djones520 wrote: Seaward wrote: Alexzandvar wrote:Coming from a military family Iv been more groomed to just see soldiers dying just as a "thing that happens" when it comes to war zones, so I don't really feel that angry about navy seals dying in the line of duty, since, well, that's the job description.
tragedy comes into play when you say, have a vet who comes home to no work or doesn't get the proper mental healthcare. but again, soldiers dying in the field, nothing new under the sun.
I'd give thought to pumping the brakes.
Yeah...
I third that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/05 06:37:40
Subject: Re:Never Forget Benghazi!
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
United States
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Would you like to know more?
I mean, you may as well read the full article.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/05 08:01:36
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Alexzandvar wrote:I know how to play a trumpet pretty well, so at the event I played taps, and was invited to attend the after party for the memorial, I then was able to speak to attendee's which was cool (cause navy seal vets were attending), but then after I mentioned video games while speaking with father this lady refereed to me as noted earlier "The cancer thats killing America", she also went on to give a speech above how evil video games and big government is.
I'm not calling you a liar, but the abrupt and harsh shift in tone strongly suggest that this woman probably has a different recollection of the conversation immediately previous to her comments than you do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/05 08:05:19
Subject: Never Forget Benghazi!
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Ouze wrote: Alexzandvar wrote:I know how to play a trumpet pretty well, so at the event I played taps, and was invited to attend the after party for the memorial, I then was able to speak to attendee's which was cool (cause navy seal vets were attending), but then after I mentioned video games while speaking with father this lady refereed to me as noted earlier "The cancer thats killing America", she also went on to give a speech above how evil video games and big government is.
I'm not calling you a liar, but the abrupt and harsh shift in tone strongly suggest that this woman probably has a different recollection of the conversation immediately previous to her comments than you do.
I am thinking you are correct on this. I believe he's just trolling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 16:06:35
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Woah... some declassified testimonies:
http://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ContentRecord_id=17D69AFC-744A-43DA-8BEA-D582975C1277
According to these... the real scandal is that both the DoD and States Department woefully prepared...
This confirms those at the highest levels of the Obama administration KNEW that this was a terrorist attack within minutes... No one seriously thought it was a demonstration that had turned into a riot, despite the blatant spin offered in the days after the attack...
The real question becomes, what was the reasonings to claim it was a demonstration that got out of control?
Again, the real scandal is that both agencies knew that Benghazi was sitting duck, and yet the State Department did nothing to bolster security... and further more, the DoD did nothing to bolster readiness on the anniversary of 9/11. This is sheer incompetence stacked on more incompetence.
EDIT: who wants to bet that these were declassified in blunt the PPACA coverages?
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Subject: Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.
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It's been a while whembly, I thought you forgot Benghazi  .
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Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 16:17:44
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Well, I haven't read them yet, but if says what you claim they say it doesn't seem to make much sense to try to "blunt" one scandal with another big scandal. That just creates the perception that NOTHING can be done right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/14 16:20:12
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Wing Commander
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JUST
LET
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DIE
words cannot describe how utterly annoying this is. Yes its a scandal, yes the state department dropped the ball, everyone knows it.
Now Lord Necromancer Whembly I beseach you, this rotting corpse is REALLY starting to stink
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"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
"This great fortress was a gift to the Blood Ravens from the legendary Imperial Fists. When asked about it Chapter Master Pugh was reported to say: "THEY TOOK WHAT!?"" |
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