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My read is that you may only take special characters in the specified chapter. So if I want Tigurius, I have to declare my chapter is Ultramarines, not the Aurora chapter.

(yes, I realize this is largely semantics, but I'm still curious).

Would Aurorars use "Chapter Tactics: Ultramarine"?

If yes (see page 77, "Successor Chapters"), then there wouldn't be any problem sticking Tigurius into your Aurorar list.

If no...well, there is no "no," so that's that.

It's certainly not FLUFFY to mix chapters. But rules-wise, there's absolutely no problem. Rules are Rules, and Fluff doesn't change Rules.

Auroras would definitely be 'chapter tactics (Ultramarines)'.

But the special character rules don't say you have to only have the chapter tactics of the army. You have to have the specified chapter as well.

pg 77, "...special characters have specific Chapter Tactics AND can only be taken in detachments of the specified Chapter." (emphasis mine)

So If I'm playing Aurora Marines, Chapter Tactics (Ultramarines), I only meet one of the two requirements to take "Chief Librarian Tigurius Ultramarines Master of Arcana"

Or at least that's my read so far. Just looking for anything I'm missing.

 mauleed wrote:
Auroras would definitely be 'chapter tactics (Ultramarines)'.

But the special character rules don't say you have to only have the chapter tactics of the army. You have to have the specified chapter as well.

pg 77, "...special characters have specific Chapter Tactics AND can only be taken in detachments of the specified Chapter." (emphasis mine)

So If I'm playing Aurora Marines, Chapter Tactics (Ultramarines), I only meet one of the two requirements to take "Chief Librarian Tigurius Ultramarines Master of Arcana"

Or at least that's my read so far. Just looking for anything I'm missing.

Just play 'ultramarines' calling them Aurora marines using the Aurora marines color scheme and the ultramarines chapter tactics. The chaper tactics and chapter really only comes into play with people wanting to play Pedro and Lysander in the same detachment.

Oh I freely admit it's just semantics (Assuming I can't make a separate argument that it's illegal to play green Ultramarines).

But I want to be sure this is correct.

 mauleed wrote:
pg 77, "...special characters have specific Chapter1 Tactics AND can only be taken in detachments of the specified Chapter2." (emphasis mine)

I put a 1 and 2 in there to make it clear.
When you play, you have to pick a Chapter1 Tactic: <Chapter2>.
So they just used the word 'Chapter' in two different meanings.

You are playing Codex: Space Marines with Chapter Tactic: Ultramarines.
That means you can play any Character that has the "Chapter Tactic: Ultramarines"-rule.

I believe there's actually a note in there about Successor Chapters and how you can have models from the Parent Chapter and Successor chapter all in the same detachment (assuming they use the same Chapter Tactics).

So even if Tigerius is Ultramarines, he can be part of your Aurora Marines Army without breaking any "fluffy rules" because they use the same Chapter Tactics.

 mauleed wrote:
My read is that you may only take special characters in the specified chapter. So if I want Tigurius, I have to declare my chapter is Ultramarines, not the Aurora chapter.

(yes, I realize this is largely semantics, but I'm still curious).

Isn't Bob the Mindman, Chief Librarian of the Aurora chapter? As I recall, his skills were almost exactly the same as Tigurius. As a player of the Aurora chapter, you're allowed to field Bob aren't you!

You can either:

1) Just say your Aurora Chapter as "count-as" Ultramarines using the Ultramarines CT and a "count-as Chief Librarian Tigurius.

2) Or you can just follow Page 77 of the Codex:

Note that you may field models from two different Chapters that have the same Chapter Tactics (such as Ultramarines and Praetors of Orpheous) in the same detachment - these Chapters are so closely affiliated that they count as a single army on the battlefield

So either a green "count-as" Tigurius or an actual blue Tigurius hanging with his buddies would be valid.

Technically he should be blue anyways, being a Librarian, the only green thing would be his left shoulder pad with the Aurora symbol I'm doing the Deathwatch for my vanilla marines since they are just going to be various ally contingents, that's how I explain why I'll be using different contingents with different chapter tactics but still have them all painted the same.

what d-usa said,

here are your 3 options to run those stats in your army.

While there is technically no provision for 'counts as' models as far as I can tell you can always make a model with the correct wargear and call him Chief Librarian Gaius Sestius and paint him up to match your army and just tell your oppanant he counts as Tigurius. No one should ever complain about that so long as he belongs to a detachment using chapter tactics: ultramarines.

Paint the model to look like tigurius right down to the chapter emblem, call him tigurius and revel in the fluff. Its not like commanders of the ultimarines have not worked with this chapter before. Pg 77 allows for this as long as your primary detachment is also using his chapter tactics.

Paint the model to look like tigurius and paint up atleast 5 guys to be tactical marines from the ultamarines. You can run tigurius and 5 tactical marines as an allied detachment as long as the auroras are using different chapter tactics. Looking at the fluff surrounding this chapter they might be suited to using iron hands rules. Run a master of the forge as your HQ and feel even more fluffy as you've given a tank heavy army a leg up (assuming you run lots of tanks)