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How many people care if their opponent plays CSM models using the SM rules? I find the CSM rules intolerable and the regular SM book fights the army I have much better.

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My bad !




more of a 40k general thread so ...

I would have no problem if my opponent wanted to do that, check I'm thinking of doing it myself. I just need to figure out which trait would fit the Word Bearers best.

 Musashi363 wrote:
I would have no problem if my opponent wanted to do that, check I'm thinking of doing it myself. I just need to figure out which trait would fit the Word Bearers best.

I don't see it being a good fit for Word Bearers seeing as they use Cultist, Daemons and Daemon Engines pretty heavily, three things you can get via the CSM book.

Night Lords fit well as Raven Guard though, and Alpha Legion basically works out to being anyone so you could be playing any Marine army and just say "These is my Alpha Legion army" and no one can really argue (well, outside of perhaps doing that with Grey Knights).

World Eaters can be done decently using C:BA (Beserkers being Death Company), and depending on how many Daemon Engines you want to field the new Imperial Fists rules can fit Iron Warriors pretty well. If you want to run Pre-Heresy style Death Guard I'd use the Iron Hand Rules (assuming you didn't just want to run the Legion List that is).

That's about all the ideas I have for substitutions.

Barfolomew wrote:
How many people care if their opponent plays CSM models using the SM rules? I find the CSM rules intolerable and the regular SM book fights the army I have much better.

It makes sense for renegade chapters that haven't fallen to chaos. They just like spikes more than they like the Emperor, and humanity, and hygiene.

My undivided army runs zero demonic units (possessed, demons, etc.). This is an easy push over to SM. My Khorne army is a different story and is basically stuck in limbo until GW rewrites the CSM codex. If I want to put some Khorne in my SM, then the BA round would be an option.

If youre running CSM and want them to be loyalists call them "Renegade." M<y friend runs Knights of Blood (renegade, excommunicate) using the BA rulebook and has a mix of raptors and assault marines nobody seems to have an issue

Like the others, I'd say go for it. Provided you told me up front what you were doing I'd be totally fine with it.

I am going to be doing the same thing.

Will be running a Chaos Biker army with White Scar rules, a Chaos MEQ army with Iron Hands rules, and "vanilla" CSM with Ultramarine or Imperial Fist rules if I am in the mood.
I have a massive Chaos army (25,000 Pts+), and I too find the CSM book untolerable and offensive.

If I get bored, I can always switch back to CSM and bring in Typhus\Zombies\Oblits\Baledrakes, or a CSM+Daemon allies.

I don't see any reason not to.

The Codex: Space Marines list is written to represent really hardline Chaos Marine armies, that have gone Full Chaos. (Never go Full Chaos ). And GW has never really give Chaos players a good list for Renegades (which is somewhat unfortunate), because their army balance is weighted with the idea that you're going to use all the cool Chaosy toys.

That said, in most ways Chaos Marines are essentially Counts As for Space Marines right out of the box, and with a little creativity you can easily work the rest in.

Just make sure it's WYSIWYG and that's fine.

I figure if I was to do this all again I would play Iron Warriors.
I would use as many CSM as I could and do very slight chaos add-ons to what is not a chaos model.
I would use the "Iron Hands" rule and we are good (Iron Within, Iron Without). IW are in the habit of replacing body parts that mutate so similar outcome.
By description of the "Fists" that would be another alternative since specific mention is made.

The Centurions would be good to show a "touch" of organics on the model to look like the beginning of Obliterators.
Would make a good back-story that helps explain these guys.

Yes, WYSIWYG is the way to go, IW you can use the normal marine models, paint them in the proper scheme and you would see little difference.

HEY! You can then have IG and try to fit in some big guns and it would fit the fluff! This is looking good.

I really see no negative to this and the IW have a more apt means of fielding them.

 Talizvar wrote:
I figure if I was to do this all again I would play Iron Warriors.
I would use as many CSM as I could and do very slight chaos add-ons to what is not a chaos model.
I would use the "Iron Hands" rule and we are good (Iron Within, Iron Without). IW are in the habit of replacing body parts that mutate so similar outcome.
By description of the "Fists" that would be another alternative since specific mention is made.

The Centurions would be good to show a "touch" of organics on the model to look like the beginning of Obliterators.
Would make a good back-story that helps explain these guys.

Yes, WYSIWYG is the way to go, IW you can use the normal marine models, paint them in the proper scheme and you would see little difference.

HEY! You can then have IG and try to fit in some big guns and it would fit the fluff! This is looking good.

I really see no negative to this and the IW have a more apt means of fielding them.

I have a SM army using normal guys painted up as Iron Warriors (there are some chaos bits like shoulder pads and bolters mixed in). I find the Vanilla Codex works well for IW, especially when IG are allied in. You do lose out on the Daemon Engines, but the current CSM book is not great. My plan is to use CT:IF, but Iron hands Iron Hands is fine too. Actually, thinking about it IH may be a more accurate portrayal than IF...

I've used my marines as CSM, and no one cared (I do have separate CSM for that now), so using CSM as SM would be fine with me. So long as WYSIWYG.

I don't use demons, and cultists would be represented by allied guard. I would lose the demon engines, but loyalists have other cool toys. I would love to do an iron warrior legion Using iron hands rules with guard ally artillery.

Go for it. If you want to represent more "Chaos-y" versions of a Codex SM list well here ya go

Thunderfire cannon


Dev Cents

(or just use regular cents remodeled with mutation)

and there are others

I think it makes more sense the other way round, but as long as you manage to make it clear what's what, then I'd have no problems with it.