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There she is.... the whole chapter with all 36 marines!inamarine!.


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Can't help that Ventris has some... imagine the plot armour on those Centurions

Um

Not to be nitpicking, but this deal represents how the Ultramarines - as a whole chapter - deployed in that particular battle.

They deployed with 36 Centurions, and whatever number of Rhinos, Bolters, Bikes, etc.. you can see in that pic.

Of all of the above, they probably have more in storage though and could - conceivable - also deploy in a different set up (e.g. more tanks, less infantry, or more bikes/speeders, less heavy armour, etc..).

Very true... I wonder how common we should assume the centurions to be?

 Lobukia wrote:
Very true... I wonder how common we should assume the centurions to be?

I don't particularly care, myself. 3 of them with grav-weapons and a couple of other upgrades takes up more than 1/5 of my army's total points allowance. I'm not taking any more of them. However, my Chapter is somewhat... unorthodox, both in its origins and in its... well, everything. And by somewhat unorthodox in its origins, I mean I don't think it's ever quite been done this way. Anyways, they basically don't have to rely on the Adeptus Mechanicus for their tech, because they can't, because there's no way in hell the Mechanicus would give them diddly-squat, and their own artisans have gotten really good at reverse-engineering captured equipment.

Also, did anyone else note the clever thing GW did to make it harder for Internet resalers? They put all 3 of the grav-cannon nozzle bitz on one sprue, with 0 on the other two. It may not prevent a resaler from selling a single Centurion on the sprue if they clip out and include a grav-cannon nozzle bit with each of the other sprues, but it's an extra step, and it's a small part, so it could easily get lost. Edit: However, attributing that particular sprue design decision to malice or a business choice may be somewhat premature. Maybe that was the only way they'd fit due to shapes.

 Pouncey wrote:


Also, did anyone else note the clever thing GW did to make it harder for Internet resalers? They put all 3 of the grav-cannon nozzle bitz on one sprue, with 0 on the other two. It may not prevent a resaler from selling a single Centurion on the sprue if they clip out and include a grav-cannon nozzle bit with each of the other sprues, but it's an extra step, and it's a small part, so it could easily get lost. Edit: However, attributing that particular sprue design decision to malice or a business choice may be somewhat premature. Maybe that was the only way they'd fit due to shapes.

Its more likely they just chucked the sprues together as they would fit, and sicne they never intended to sell individual centurians themselves they just went woth what worked. They do a pretty damn good job cramming stuff onto sprues these days with so many options.

On the flip side, if it was done to stop internet reselling of individual models, i wouldn't call it malice. Preventing someone making a business by selling your stuff in a more profitable way kinda makes sense, doesn't it?

 Pouncey wrote:

Also, did anyone else note the clever thing GW did to make it harder for Internet resalers? They put all 3 of the grav-cannon nozzle bitz on one sprue, with 0 on the other two. It may not prevent a resaler from selling a single Centurion on the sprue if they clip out and include a grav-cannon nozzle bit with each of the other sprues, but it's an extra step, and it's a small part, so it could easily get lost. Edit: However, attributing that particular sprue design decision to malice or a business choice may be somewhat premature. Maybe that was the only way they'd fit due to shapes.

That's some Loose Change-levels of conspiratorial lunacy. I wouldn't read into it.

I saw Centurions taking up the Assault and Devastator squads in the company breakdown. But, as has been seen, there are only 6 in any given squad. I'm sure this was made as a business decision more than a game one, but where are the other four Marines from each squad? Would they have 10 suits of Centurion armor lying around for those Marines? I'd like to imagine they would, but I don't know the squad size of Centurions in the codex as I don't have it yet.

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Also, did anyone else note the clever thing GW did to make it harder for Internet resalers? They put all 3 of the grav-cannon nozzle bitz on one sprue, with 0 on the other two. It may not prevent a resaler from selling a single Centurion on the sprue if they clip out and include a grav-cannon nozzle bit with each of the other sprues, but it's an extra step, and it's a small part, so it could easily get lost. Edit: However, attributing that particular sprue design decision to malice or a business choice may be somewhat premature. Maybe that was the only way they'd fit due to shapes.

That's some Loose Change-levels of conspiratorial lunacy. I wouldn't read into it.

Read into it?

It was a thought that popped into my mind when I was building my first one and couldn't find the grav-cannon nozzle on the sprue. Like I keep saying, the months I've spent on Dakka have completely ruined my perception of the game and the company. But I need something to do, and I hate painting and none of the games I play are any fun for me right now. I also can't stand watching TV shows and movies all the time, so that leaves... sleeping, and forums.

And Stargasm, I agree that that's the likely scenario, but given the way 40k "fans" talk about GW and their policies, you'd think GW was an evil corporation led by supervillains whose sole goal is to ruin the gaming world by taking the most popular tabletop game and thinking of evil, devious ways to get people to buy the stuff needed for it so they can raise money as a legit front for the Legion of Doom to build a doom sphere with which to conquer Earth, followed by the rest of the universe.


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 Brother SRM wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Also, did anyone else note the clever thing GW did to make it harder for Internet resalers? They put all 3 of the grav-cannon nozzle bitz on one sprue, with 0 on the other two. It may not prevent a resaler from selling a single Centurion on the sprue if they clip out and include a grav-cannon nozzle bit with each of the other sprues, but it's an extra step, and it's a small part, so it could easily get lost. Edit: However, attributing that particular sprue design decision to malice or a business choice may be somewhat premature. Maybe that was the only way they'd fit due to shapes.

That's some Loose Change-levels of conspiratorial lunacy. I wouldn't read into it.

I saw Centurions taking up the Assault and Devastator squads in the company breakdown. But, as has been seen, there are only 6 in any given squad. I'm sure this was made as a business decision more than a game one, but where are the other four Marines from each squad? Would they have 10 suits of Centurion armor lying around for those Marines? I'd like to imagine they would, but I don't know the squad size of Centurions in the codex as I don't have it yet.

Centurions come in squads of between 3 and 6.

But I honestly doubt that the Marines using them are dedicated to the use of Centurion armor. According to the little bit of fluff I read about them, their primary use is in defending friendly locations, providing heavy weapons support against fortified locations, and providing a mobile firebase (I didn't read the Centurion Assault Squad stuff because I wasn't interested in using them, but I'd presume their primary use is in breaching fortifications given their slow speed). I'd think it's more likely that the armor gets dropped in with the vehicles, and then some Devastators or Assault Marines just step into the suits. Like dropping a mech onto the battlefield in that neat-looking FPS Titanfall.

Another thing I noticed. In the First Company of the collection this thread refers to, the 1st Company Veteran Squads are separated into squads of 5, as each set of 5 has a central model equipped with a weapon that only the Sergeant can have. Same with the Tactical Terminators - you can see that each set of 5 has a guy in the middle with a storm bolter and power sword. I think what happened is that they saved time and just copy/pasted a show picture from each box set in the collection.

so the collection includes

"Alongside the entire Chapter of Space Marines you'll also receive a signed copy of Codex: Space Marines; a signed copy of Insignium Astartes (the definitive guide to the heraldries and squad markings of the Ultramarines); a full Chapter organisation chart; a breakdown of the composition of each of the 10 companies; a signed art print of the Codex: Space Marines book cover; and a signed art print of Paul Dainton's painting of the Ultramarines assembled for battle.

This collection includes 1 box of Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard; 1 Chief Librarian Tigurius; 1 Chaplain Cassius; 1 Space Marine Captain in Terminator Armour; 1 Space Marine Terminator Chaplain; 1 Captain Sicarius; 1 box of Space Marine Masters of the Chapter; 1 Space Marine Captain: Lord Executioner; 1 Space Marine Captain: Master of the Marches; 1 Space Marine Captain: Master of the Rites; 1 Space Marine Captain: Master of Relics; 3 Space Marine Command Squads; 2 Space Marine Librarians; 1 Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armour; 1 Space Marine Librarian with staff & book; 1 Space Marine Librarian with Force Sword and Bolt Pistol; 1 Space Marine Librarian with Force Axe and Plasma Pistol; 3 Space Marine Chaplains with Crozius and Power Fist; 3 Space Marine Chaplains with skull helmet; 1 Space Marine Chaplain with Crozius and Bolt Pistol; 1 Space Marine Chaplain with Crozius and Plasma Pistol; 1 Space Marine Chaplain with Jump Pack; 8 Space Marine Terminator Squads; 4 Space Marine Terminator Close Combat Squads; 4 Space Marine Vanguard Veteran Squads; 4 Space Marine Sternguard Veteran Squads; 39 Space Marine Tactical Squads; 47 Space Marine Rhinos; 4 Space Marine Drop Pods; 14 Space Marine Assault Squads; 14 Space Marine Devastator Squads; 12 Space Marine Centurion Devastator Squads; 4 Space Marine Razorbacks; 2 Space Marine Techmarines; 4 Space Marine Thunderfire Cannons; 7 Space Marine Dreadnoughts; 5 Space Marine Ironclad Dreadnoughts; 1 Space Marine Sergeant Chronus; 7 Space Marine Land Raiders; 3 Space Marine Land Raider Crusader/Redeemers; 7 Space Marine Stalker/Hunters; 2 Space Marine Vindicators; 5 Space Marine Predators; 3 Space Marine Whirlwinds; 3 Stormraven Gunships; 7 Space Marine Stormtalon Gunships; 13 Space Marine Bike Squads; 1 Space Marine Bike; 5 Space Marine Attack Bikes; 11 Space Marine Land Speeders; 1 Space Marine Sergeant Telion; 10 boxes of Space Marine Scouts; 4 boxes of Space Marine Scouts with Sniper Rifles; 5 Space Marine Land Speeder Storms; and 6 Space Marine Strikeforces."

now how long to build and paint and all for the low low cost of $17,645.00

Wow, that's all it takes to get THE ULTRAMARINES to do your bidding? What a bunch of sellouts.

If I were a chapter master, I'd hold out for more.

Pouncey wrote:But I honestly doubt that the Marines using them are dedicated to the use of Centurion armor. According to the little bit of fluff I read about them, their primary use is in defending friendly locations, providing heavy weapons support against fortified locations, and providing a mobile firebase (I didn't read the Centurion Assault Squad stuff because I wasn't interested in using them, but I'd presume their primary use is in breaching fortifications given their slow speed). I'd think it's more likely that the armor gets dropped in with the vehicles, and then some Devastators or Assault Marines just step into the suits.

That's how I understand it, too. Centurion suits are no different than Landspeeders, marines get to pilot them as part of their devastator/assault marine duties.

 Ailaros wrote:
Wow, that's all it takes to get THE ULTRAMARINES to do your bidding? What a bunch of sellouts.

If I were a chapter master, I'd hold out for more.

Calgar's still dealing with his forefather's decision to waste armor by making a citadel out of it rather than keeping them around. Have you seen the rates the Adeptus Mechanicus charges for new power armor? Yeesh.

At least you save some money, unlike the one-clicks. For Americans it's approximately $12 000, saving you about $1 500.

At least they aren't like the BAs who have so many LRs they're desperate to get rid of them to the point of chucking them out of there transports before they hit the ground.

Share with the rest of the less fortunate chapters if you don't need Land Raiders.

 Grey Templar wrote:
At least they aren't like the BAs who have so many LRs they're desperate to get rid of them to the point of chucking them out of there transports before they hit the ground.

Share with the rest of the less fortunate chapters if you don't need Land Raiders.

Funny. Last time I played against BA, every single LR landed in Difficult Terrain. And got Immobilised.

 Lobukia wrote:
There she is.... the whole chapter with all 36 marines!inamarine!.

Which is 35 more than they'll ever need.

(You need one for punishment duty.)

 Grey Templar wrote:
At least they aren't like the BAs who have so many LRs they're desperate to get rid of them to the point of chucking them out of there transports before they hit the ground.

Share with the rest of the less fortunate chapters if you don't need Land Raiders.

Or dreads. They're passing the things out like candy.

Guess that one Space Hulk raid really did suck the large plentiful balls of a a bull grox.