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lcmiracle wrote:Also, the up-limit of a Codex Astarte Chapter is not 1,000. The Commanding staffs are actually not included within a company's 100 marine counts, also no vehicles are included in the 100 marine limit in the Honour Guards, so each chapter can theoretically have almost half way over 1,000 space marines.

The 5E C:SM has a very detailed table of who is where in regards to the Ultramarines Chapter. In 999.M41, the Ultramarines have:

Chapter Command: 29
Armoury: 28
Apothecarion: 13
Librarius: 25
Battle Companies: 502
Reserves: 404
Scouts: 101? (estimate, exact number of Scouts not provided)
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Total: ca. 1102 Astartes (not counting Dreadnoughts)

But all that is not very important, anyways. Just like Sisters or Storm Troopers, the Space Marines are not meant to deploy their entire Chapter by default. The standard strike force, at least as per the Tactica article in WD #300, is 1 Battle Company reinforced by elements of the Reserves (providing vehicle drivers and other support). Whether or not they send more depends both on the importance of a campaign as well as the current strength of the Chapter.

Many chapters will be well under that anyway, even though people like to focus on the big chapters, most chapters will be UNDER strength, because of attrition.

GW has scale problems.
It's not even SM that have this either...
SoB, Arbites, IG etc
The entire Imperium has scale problems...

I just can't see why people would think that. Elite shock troops or the FBI do not have to be everywhere.

The only force that needs to be everywhere is the Imperial Guard, and this organisation certainly should be large enough?

Although even the IG doesn't need to be everywhere. We have sufficient examples of the PDF and Frateris Militia pulling their weight when it comes to defending against alien invasion.

 Lynata wrote:

lcmiracle wrote:Also, the up-limit of a Codex Astarte Chapter is not 1,000. The Commanding staffs are actually not included within a company's 100 marine counts, also no vehicles are included in the 100 marine limit in the Honour Guards, so each chapter can theoretically have almost half way over 1,000 space marines.

The 5E C:SM has a very detailed table of who is where in regards to the Ultramarines Chapter. In 999.M41, the Ultramarines have:

Chapter Command: 29
Armoury: 28
Apothecarion: 13
Librarius: 25
Battle Companies: 502
Reserves: 404
Scouts: 101? (estimate, exact number of Scouts not provided)
----
Total: ca. 1102 Astartes (not counting Dreadnoughts)

Also,

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440270a&prodId=prod2160196a

This Ultramarines one-click bundle actually states "over 1,200 marines" in clear direct text and words.

TiamatRoar wrote:


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440270a&prodId=prod2160196a

This Ultramarines one-click bundle actually states "over 1,200 marines" in clear direct text and words.

Anyone bought this?

Its Calgars forces at the fight at Orar's Grave. Seems almost every Ultramarine was there. But we have the Warzone Damnos too. Return of the UM to Damnos > field the chapter.

TiamatRoar wrote:This Ultramarines one-click bundle actually states "over 1,200 marines" in clear direct text and words.

No, actually it does not. It says "nearly 1.200 Space Marine models".

A Land Raider is a Space Marine model, and so is a Rhino.

But maybe you can show me on this photo where I could be wrong:

 Lynata wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:This Ultramarines one-click bundle actually states "over 1,200 marines" in clear direct text and words.

No, actually it does not. It says "nearly 1.200 Space Marine models".

A Land Raider is a Space Marine model, and so is a Rhino.

But maybe you can show me on this photo where I could be wrong:

Spoiler:

Nah, I just misread it.

No worries. I apologise for the snarky tone in my post.

 Lynata wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:This Ultramarines one-click bundle actually states "over 1,200 marines" in clear direct text and words.

No, actually it does not. It says "nearly 1.200 Space Marine models".

A Land Raider is a Space Marine model, and so is a Rhino.

But maybe you can show me on this photo where I could be wrong:

Spoiler:

But that picture is missing the vehicles, which are included in the deal. So if we assume that you're supposed to be able to field all these models at once (assuming you could find an opponent and a table big enough) then the drivers are above and beyond the thousand marines you can field on foot.

Crimson wrote:But that picture is missing the vehicles, which are included in the deal. So if we assume that you're supposed to be able to field all these models at once (assuming you could find an opponent and a table big enough) then the drivers are above and beyond the thousand marines you can field on foot.

One could argue that it's a snapshot of everything the Chapter landed at that one campaign, and that they would have to break some of those squads up to man the vehicles. Which is exactly how it was described to work in both the 2E Codex as well as White Dwarf #300.

Also, that deal also includes a whole batch of Land Speeders - who is meant to pilot those, if not the Assault Marines already formed into Assault squads in the big picture?

Marines don't guard the universe that's the job of the imperial guard. Marines is the sledgehammer and scalpel of the imperium they strike hard and fast at a specific point then leave while the guard consolidate what they stormed.