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I'm a bit confused. I seem to remember having found a rule that basically states that a model that uses his pistol in the shooting phase, can't use it in the next assault phase as a CCW. Anyone can point me to the rule that explains this.... or tell me that I may have had a bad dream!

I'm like 94.6% this rule doesn't exist.

Besides, I would hope that, 38000 years into the future, pistols would still be able to fire two shots in the space of a few minutes.

Maybe you are thinking of Jump packs?

Fluff wise, yes I agree, but we are talking about WH40k here...so who knows


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 Deadshot wrote:
Maybe you are thinking of Jump packs?

No, not thinking about jump packs

I seem to recall an argument on a forum about this topic that lasted for a while, but I can't remember which one. Maybe it was in 5th edition....

Nope, hasn't been a rule like that as long as I have played. The only other rule I can think of that is vaguely similar is where in 4th Ed, firing a pistol whilst stationary gave you 2 shots but prevented charging.

Bah! Lets forget about his. I searched all my emails, all forums and can't find the topic that made me think that it was like this. So, nothing to see, move along

Maybe you're thinking of Burna Boys. That's the only thing I can think of that if you shoot you can't use it as a CCW.

There ARE some weapons with a melee ánd ranged profile that exclude each other.

The Sisters' boltguns with the scoridae combi-attachment can't be used as both a ranged weapon and a CCW in the same turn.

Technically there is such a rule. p. 51, second paragraph. Everyone just ignores it because it is obviously stupid.

I don't understand why using a pistol in the assault phase would be a benefit? Of course if you have a ccw then also having a pistol gives you +1 attack but other then this there is no point.

The rules state you can't use the pistols strength or special rules in cc anyway...

 Crimson wrote:
Technically there is such a rule. p. 51, second paragraph. Everyone just ignores it because it is obviously stupid.

The second paragraph on page 51 doesn't say this. I'll quote it below to prove that, but could you elaborate?

Some weapons can be used in different ways, representing different power settings or types of ammo. Some weapons can be used in combat as well as shooting. Where this is the case, there will be a separate line in the weapon's profile for each, and you can choose which to use each turn.

This has absolutely nothing to do with pistols - because pistols don't have a separate line in the weapon's profile.


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kranki wrote:
I don't understand why using a pistol in the assault phase would be a benefit?

The rules state you can't use the pistols strength or special rules in cc anyway...

If a model has both a Pistol and a CCW it gains an extra attack in the assault phase.
OP was imagining a rule that said if you fire your pistol, you could not count it for an extra attack.

I see, then I agree I've never seen a rule like that.

rigeld2 wrote:

This has absolutely nothing to do with pistols - because pistols don't have a separate line in the weapon's profile.

But they have access to a separate profile. It is just not separately printed with every pistol as that would be crazy waste of space.

 Crimson wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

This has absolutely nothing to do with pistols - because pistols don't have a separate line in the weapon's profile.

But they have access to a separate profile. It is just not separately printed with every pistol as that would be crazy waste of space.

Its not a separate profile, it's part of the first.
It's the "pistol" rule that allows its use in combat. This is part of the primary stat line, not a separate one.

 grendel083 wrote:
Its not a separate profile, it's part of the first.
It's the "pistol" rule that allows its use in combat. This is part of the primary stat line, not a separate one.

So 'R:- S:User AP:- Melee' and 'R:12" S:4 AP:5 Pistol' are not separate profiles?

 Crimson wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Its not a separate profile, it's part of the first.
It's the "pistol" rule that allows its use in combat. This is part of the primary stat line, not a separate one.

So 'R:- S:User AP:- Melee' and 'R:12" S:4 AP:5 Pistol' are not separate profiles?

The first stat line you listed is from the "pistol" part found in the second stat line you listed...

As far as i know there was a rule back in 4th or 5th which would stop you getting +1 attack on the charge if you where to shoot with a pistol first, maybe it's an "old habits die hard" kinda thing, i know i do it sometimes.
To my knowledge in 6th there is no penalty for shooting with a pistol then using it in combat during the same turn.

Friend: "So this combat is a draw"
Me: "Roll for moral high ground!"

 grendel083 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

So 'R:- S:User AP:- Melee' and 'R:12" S:4 AP:5 Pistol' are not separate profiles?

The first stat line you listed is from the "pistol" part found in the second stat line you listed...

Yes, and it's a separate profile you can choose to use, just like combi-melta has two profiles from which you can choose.

 Crimson wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

So 'R:- S:User AP:- Melee' and 'R:12" S:4 AP:5 Pistol' are not separate profiles?

The first stat line you listed is from the "pistol" part found in the second stat line you listed...

Yes, and it's a separate profile you can choose to use, just like combi-melta has two profiles from which you can choose.

There's no choice involved.

 grendel083 wrote:
There's no choice involved.

"A pistol can be used as a close combat weapon. If this is done..."

 Crimson wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
There's no choice involved.

"A pistol can be used as a close combat weapon. If this is done..."

Hmm... Fair enough, I was thinking of ranged weapons that must be used to full effect. Thought there was a similar thing for melee.

That is just the allowance for a pistol to be used as a CCW since ranged weapons can not be used as CCW's without a specific rule allowing it.

 Skye26 wrote:
As far as i know there was a rule back in 4th or 5th which would stop you getting +1 attack on the charge if you where to shoot with a pistol first, maybe it's an "old habits die hard" kinda thing, i know i do it sometimes.

It's not, because no such rule ever existed.

Might have been something from the "pancake" rules.

 Crimson wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

This has absolutely nothing to do with pistols - because pistols don't have a separate line in the weapon's profile.

But they have access to a separate profile. It is just not separately printed with every pistol as that would be crazy waste of space.

So even though the requirement for the rule is a separate profile, you're insisting that something that doesn't meet that requirement fits the rule?
And that makes sense to you?

 grendel083 wrote:
I was thinking of ranged weapons that must be used to full effect. Thought there was a similar thing for melee.

I think you actually have this the wrong way 'round: units don't have to shoot all their ranged weapons, but each model must try its hardest to become engaged, and must roll for all its attacks if it is.

rigeld2 wrote:

So even though the requirement for the rule is a separate profile, you're insisting that something that doesn't meet that requirement fits the rule?
And that makes sense to you?

So close combat weapon profile is not a separate profile from pistol profile? Or is it your reading that function of the rule is dependent on whether or not the separate profile is physically printed next to the shooting profile?

 Crimson wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

So even though the requirement for the rule is a separate profile, you're insisting that something that doesn't meet that requirement fits the rule?
And that makes sense to you?

So close combat weapon profile is not a separate profile from pistol profile? Or is it your reading that function of the rule is dependent on whether or not the separate profile is physically printed next to the shooting profile?

It's not just my reading - it's literally what the rule says.
And yes, the CC profile is integral to the shooting profile.

rigeld2 wrote:

It's not just my reading - it's literally what the rule says.
And yes, the CC profile is integral to the shooting profile.

For the sake of brevity the game rules constantly refer to rules that are printed in full elsewhere. It is utterly absurd to make distinction based on where the rule is physically printed. So whenever you see a key word 'pistol' in the weapon's rules, it is equivalent of it saying 'this weapon can be used in CC with the following profile: R:- S:User AP:- Melee'.

Out of curiosity, do you think that there actually is a weapon in the game to which the rule on p.51 applies to?