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...And in the interest of full disclosure I will admit I actually am backing, because I suspect those Cornulae will, when painted in somewhat less of a pastel palet, be pretty nice NPC's someday. The fact they're not really chibi or anything does kind of give some of these minis (I'm hoping for some of the stretch goals, for example) a broader appeal than just the brony crowd.

Still, YMMV

NPC's for what exactly?

 Alpharius wrote:
NPC's for what exactly?

I'm assuming NPC's that are heralds of diabolic schemes of an evil, plotting DM.

 heartserenade wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
NPC's for what exactly?

I'm assuming NPC's that are heralds of diabolic schemes of an evil, plotting DM.

Indeed, what DM wouldn't want to summon the apocalypse on the wings of demons such as these!

Shotgun the DOA flying pony army.

Slaanesh themed army, anyone?

................ Is this what replaced sailor moon? I do not aim to offend just, i do not understand the brony thing. I hear it was put together really well and that the stories are very well in depth.........Its a kids cartoon targeted to little girls right? My brain hurts.

 Alpharius wrote:
NPC's for what exactly?

My settings tend to err on the side of... creative DMing. I'm not above inventing races every now and then (saves me the annoying players digging up some fething obscure 80's resource contradicting what I just told them about $RACE's culture for starters ).
Besides, sentient $WHATEVER isn't exactly that much of a stretch in high fantasy RPG's anyway.

The saddest thing about this kickstarter is that it will probably succeed.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
The saddest thing about this kickstarter is that it will probably succeed.

Good F***, look I like being a negative SOB as much as the next guy here (and probably a lot more besides) but what *is* it with some folk? Why do you even care if it doesn't appeal to you anyway?

Since the last guy seems to have just bombed the thread and left I'm going to try again here: Can you explain to me why this succeeding would be sad? How would this materially impact you? What substantive effect on your presumably sorry life would that have? Enlighten me please, I'm honestly dumbfounded here.

 Alpharius wrote:
NPC's for what exactly?

Pack horses, Steeds and caravans are sometimes used as objectives. Also, when you RPG in a town it is nice to have some farm animals.

Like I said, I wouldn't mind some of these. An Armored one for a knight or a barbarian's horse would be cool. Some may make good bestiary stuff like unicorns, pegesus and so on.

I just don't like the scale. Something seems off, it is not Realistic scale, not Heroic scale, Doesn't match the cartoon proportions or style, and isn't chibi. It is just 'odd'.

This is a figure I just picked up recently:

It is a little cartoony and probably more 'heroic scale' but is a fun horse most people could use in an RPG. The design for the barbarian horse is kinda cool and a few others would be neat as 'disney-esque' sidekicks for RPG heroes.

It all depends what they do with it. Also, if they plan to go the whole MLP route, they may make some non-pony monsters too. If the individual sculpts for monsters are decent, they may find interest there.

I can see the multiple markets... I could see why people would want them, I am just not quite there.

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
The saddest thing about this kickstarter is that it will probably succeed.

Good F***, look I like being a negative SOB as much as the next guy here (and probably a lot more besides) but what *is* it with some folk? Why do you even care if it doesn't appeal to you anyway?

Since the last guy seems to have just bombed the thread and left I'm going to try again here: Can you explain to me why this succeeding would be sad? How would this materially impact you? What substantive effect on your presumably sorry life would that have? Enlighten me please, I'm honestly dumbfounded here.

I would like to chime in. It would be strange to see a grown man playing any type of table top game with them. Being in the same store and area of people using them and taking great pride in showing them off in there ponyawsomeness, would shine a strange and not wanted light on wargamers. I have nothing against it to each their own, to some one walking into a store maybe a young boy/girl and walking into grown men playing a MLP game would raise the red flag on any parent. Now let’s say a person who came across wargameing only online came to a store to check it out walked in an seen 40k against a ponyarmada, I’m sure it wouldn’t be so openly accepted. Either way it’s strange and not well understood by most. Being a wargamer already ties in with, nerd and other hermit like names, MLP minis would just add salt to the wound-IF used as proxies all across the board and painted to match the theme through MLP all bright and hearts stars clover rainbows and red balloons everywhere. I wouldn’t even play that person!

 SheSpits wrote:
I would like to chime in. It would be strange to see a grown man playing any type of table top game with them. Being in the same store and area of people using them and taking great pride in showing them off in there ponyawsomeness, would shine a strange and not wanted light on wargamers. I have nothing against it to each their own, to some one walking into a store maybe a young boy/girl and walking into grown men playing a MLP game would raise the red flag on any parent.

Won't somepony please think of the children!

I think it's great, having an army of these would just be a way of not taking yourself too seriously and having a bit of a laugh really, nothing more.

This is one of the reasons I always liked playing against Ork/ Orc players in 40k/fantasy... in general, they do not give a crap and just have fun with the game.

Also, there are unicorns, centaurs and pegasi in the KoW army lists, and they don't have any models yet so technically I have a legit use for them. :p

There's some more pics of the greens over here, lots of different angles, they look pretty nice:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.661572477195462.1073741834.480222931997085&type=1

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
The saddest thing about this kickstarter is that it will probably succeed.

Good F***, look I like being a negative SOB as much as the next guy here (and probably a lot more besides) but what *is* it with some folk? Why do you even care if it doesn't appeal to you anyway?

Since the last guy seems to have just bombed the thread and left I'm going to try again here: Can you explain to me why this succeeding would be sad? How would this materially impact you? What substantive effect on your presumably sorry life would that have? Enlighten me please, I'm honestly dumbfounded here.

Do I really need to explain what is sad about grown men playing with pink ponies from a TV show whose target audience is <10 year old girls? Unless you are playing said game with your daughter of said age, it reeks of pedo, man. REEKS.

Just did a bit of googling and I'm finding the project popping up all over the place. I appreciate the effort that people have put into sharing it and even some of the more respectful negative opinions.

I find it a shame that there are those that are actively calling for the project to fail (I was expecting this though), if mostly because I've spent allot of my time (and I mean allot) creating and designing these figurines for those that would like to include ponies in their games. or to perhaps play some introductory types of games with their kids. My kids love them, and have taken a few of the test castings we have to give them to friends at their school, whenever their friends come over to play they still ask if they can have another pony.

I just don't think table-topping has to be all about guns and guts.

To be honest, I still find it a little bewildering walking into any gaming convention finding fully grown men staring down over toy battlefields full of stunted dwarves, bizarre looking armoured men on steroids and demons spewing puss with guts hanging out and hoping that their next dice roll will lead them to victory... or arguing over whether a powerfist is better than a lightning claw for 20 minutes straight. I can't really fault them though, I enjoy getting a bit of gaming in as much as the next hobbyist.

Anyway, I'll stop now before writing down anything else daft and get actually get on with a bit of work.


Regards


Stu



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Oh and thanks Scarletsquig, nice to hear a voice of reason!

I'm not biased at all...

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
The saddest thing about this kickstarter is that it will probably succeed.

Good F***, look I like being a negative SOB as much as the next guy here (and probably a lot more besides) but what *is* it with some folk? Why do you even care if it doesn't appeal to you anyway?

Since the last guy seems to have just bombed the thread and left I'm going to try again here: Can you explain to me why this succeeding would be sad? How would this materially impact you? What substantive effect on your presumably sorry life would that have? Enlighten me please, I'm honestly dumbfounded here.

Do I really need to explain what is sad about grown men playing with...

I put the relevant part in italics. The notion that grown men playing with Space Marines that look like they crawled off an 80's cover of Heavy Metal, or anime inspired whatnot, is serious business while ponies are for kidz seems...a tiny bit silly.

As for the "pedo" bit... I'm going to go with "that says a lot more about the observer then the observed" on that one.


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Bergil wrote:
Just did a bit of googling and I'm finding the project popping up all over the place. I appreciate the effort that people have put into sharing it and even some of the more respectful negative opinions.

I find it a shame that there are those that are actively calling for the project to fail (I was expecting this though), if mostly because I've spent allot of my time (and I mean allot) creating and designing these figurines for those that would like to include ponies in their games. or to perhaps play some introductory types of games with their kids. My kids love them, and have taken a few of the test castings we have to give them to friends at their school, whenever their friends come over to play they still ask if they can have another pony.

I just don't think table-topping has to be all about guns and guts.

To be honest, I still find it a little bewildering walking into any gaming convention finding fully grown men staring down over toy battlefields full of stunted dwarves, bizarre looking armoured men on steroids and demons spewing puss with guts hanging out and hoping that their next dice roll will lead them to victory... or arguing over whether a powerfist is better than a lightning claw for 20 minutes straight. I can't really fault them though, I enjoy getting a bit of gaming in as much as the next hobbyist.

Anyway, I'll stop now before writing down anything else daft and get actually get on with a bit of work.


Regards


Stu

And welcome to Dakka! Have a nice stay.

Compairing a gut spewing plague marine to a pink rainbow pony is night and Justin Bieber. Doesnt stack up.

The kid aspect ok cool i support that.

Grown single men with no kids watching it and getting stoked to watch it is strange........

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:


Do I really need to explain what is sad about grown men playing with pink ponies from a TV show whose target audience is <10 year old girls? Unless you are playing said game with your daughter of said age, it reeks of pedo, man. REEKS.

Reeks of furry, maybe. Maybe. And even then, so what? If we are looking to miniatures as an indicator of people's kinks we'd have to start making all sorts of absurd assumptions regarding damn near most of the miniature lines out there and I don't think we want to go down that road do we? I mean I love a good Dark Eldar S&M joke but just because I have a Dark Eldar list is that really reflective of how I get my rocks off? And these are pony miniatures, not minis of kids in inappropriate poses/attire.

I don't get the Brony hate. I really don't. I understand not wanting to have anything to do with My Little Pony, but like Bolognesus, I don't understand swooping into other people's business and crapping on their fun because they like something you do not. If you don't want not-MLP minis don't back the Kickstarter and don't buy them at retail when they are made available. If Brony threads and MLP threads bother you then don't enter them.

And regarding SheSpits comment about these minis giving other gamers a bad name... jeez. Where to begin? I'd bet money that most parents who are unfamiliar with mini-wargaming after having walked into a game shop aren't going to be dismissive of just one type of game or miniature, but rather they will be wide-eyed and a little put off on the general commotion going on at the playing tables in general. They will see daemonic constructs, tanks, guns, dismembered humans, monsters, dragons, and all sorts of fantastic nonsense cluttering those felt covered tables that anthropmorphic ponies are just going to blend in. Remember, just because a Space Marine or a Warjack are familiar to us, to most everyone out there they are all representative of childish toys that grown men shouldn't be playing with.

In a place where monster machines the undead and demons are played (by grown men). Look to your left and there huddels a group of grown men getting excited about pink,purple and blue ponys on a table while they pony brawl. And debating what pony is there fav, would be super strange and akward. From any point of view even if its just a second that you ponder on it. I am a parent, my boys run around the house pretending to be zombies batman monster and try and eat my brains BOY stuff. If my son crawled on all four and pretended to be sunshine sparkle and issue hugs out and acted all female. Id worrie and worrie a lot! If they are painted as unicorns and horses cool, my deal is them being painted as MLP from the cartoon then thrown onto the table as a DA chap. Or pony wars mocking 40k rules. Im not nocking the brony scene its just very strange. Do as you please just do not get upset when you get a ton of stink eye for using them. Laughs are fun and most who know you will think its funny. Im not trying to cram my view of it down your or any ones throat, Im come across some really nice bronys. The do not even mention it unless you ask, but once you do they will go on and on! Once rainbow dash and other silly girl names come out its hard to understand why this grown man loves this cartoon so much that was ment for little girls. Im not trying to start a fight or anything so ill leave this thread. CARRY ON BRONYS!

Having lived through the gamer persecution of the 1980s I am simply going to say that I have zero interest in dealing with that level of stigma all over again due to bronies.

I honestly wish this project wasn't happening. Some may not see it but there are huge possibilities of direct negative implications on a local level for entire scenes once news starts spreading about those full grown nerds that play with ponies down at the game store.

Swabby wrote:
Having lived through the gamer persecution of the 1980s I am simply going to say that I have zero interest in dealing with that level of stigma all over again due to bronies.

I honestly wish this project wasn't happening. Some may not see it but there are huge possibilities of direct negative implications on a local level for entire scenes once news starts spreading about those full grown nerds that play with ponies down at the game store.

That strikes me as a rather selfish way of looking at things. Why should what these people do amongst themselves reflect badly on you?

I think there are some reasons for people to be upset, which are understandable, even if they may or may not be reasonable. People are allowed to like whatever they want, within some boundaries. I think the issue is less that MLP is aimed at young girls, but that, for better or worse, the stereotypical image of a brony is very negative. While there are always decent people in every fandom, there are plenty of stories of bronies behaving... badly, to be polite. The negative association with that specific subset of male MLP fans is what skeeves a lot of us out, myself included. Many of us fear wargaming being lumped into the same group by association. Part of me does want this to fail, but I recognize that I'm not being fair to the wider community.

Also, if I ever have a son, he can be as feminine as he wants, because it's his fething life, and because femininity isn't a negative quality, for boys or girls.

Eh, it wasn't all that long ago when women were considered weirdos/ homosexual for liking anything other than cooking, makeup or fashion.

These days you don't really bat an eyelid if they go to a football match, do sports or play wargames.

Straight guys liking pastel ponies is just the other side of the coin.

As for the pedo comment, that's just horribly misinformed, bronies aren't interested in human females of any age... they don't have hooves.

More different stuff is always good

I'm not a MLP fan (although I don't dislike it) but if I hadn't got a bunch of ponies from the Impact KS I'd be in on this one immediately

as it is I'll need to see how the cash flow goes and sneak in later on if funds allow

they're just a bit of fun, so grin and back them

NM

 scarletsquig wrote:


Also, there are unicorns, centaurs and pegasi in the KoW army lists, and they don't have any models yet so technically I have a legit use for them. :p

There's some more pics of the greens over here, lots of different angles, they look pretty nice:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.661572477195462.1073741834.480222931997085&type=1

Thanks for the greens. Some of them look nice, I just kinda wish they had longer 'horse face' because something just isn't meshing for me.

The Armored Unicorn Pegasus and the Demon Pegasus are pretty decent sculpts. If they pander some to the RPG/Wargame crowd with a few slightly more 'horsefaced' models, they could see more support.

The idea of steeds dressed like their owner appeals to me, the horse playing a flute does not. I think a barbarian horse and the wizard horse are pretty hilarious, I could see a wizard having a wizard horse.

With the hundreds of crazy models out there from Kiddie RPG mice, Cheesecake nurses, Demonic bewbmonsters, and so on, of all the things which give modelers/gamers a 'bad name' I can't see it being a Brony KS. Besides, did we forget there are two genders out there? Women work too, and have jobs and actually paint models! I would say outside the wargaming arena, women are way more active in miniature painting and RPG gaming than wargaming and guess what... Maybe they want to spend money on a Kickstarter too? Or get miniatures which fathers may want to share with their daughters? Very surprised that just because people outside a core demographic may like something, the core demographic does exist and has every right to have a KS make something for them...

I don't understand the hate.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

That strikes me as a rather selfish way of looking at things. Why should what these people do amongst themselves reflect badly on you?

It isn't selfish, it is realistic. If I hang out in a place where people are doing things that others do not like, even if I do not participate, I still have to deal with the stigma that comes along with hanging out in that place.

Swabby wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

That strikes me as a rather selfish way of looking at things. Why should what these people do amongst themselves reflect badly on you?

It isn't selfish, it is realistic. If I hang out in a place where people are doing things that others do not like, even if I do not participate, I still have to deal with the stigma that comes along with hanging out in that place.

No it's selfish, you're not going to carry the stigma of what someone else does. I don't carry the stigma of Yu-Gi-Oh players because I don't play the game, I don't carry the historical gamers stigma because I don't really play historical games. JUST BECAUSE TWO SIMILAR EVENTS HAPPEN AT THE SAME PLACE AT THE SAME TIME DOES NOT MAKE THEM THE SAME THING.

Hmm the one thing I wonder is whether or not I'll be able to convert some casualty makers out of those sculpts... way to not pander to a very lucrative market KS guys!

 Alfndrate wrote:

Swabby wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

That strikes me as a rather selfish way of looking at things. Why should what these people do amongst themselves reflect badly on you?

It isn't selfish, it is realistic. If I hang out in a place where people are doing things that others do not like, even if I do not participate, I still have to deal with the stigma that comes along with hanging out in that place.

No it's selfish, you're not going to carry the stigma of what someone else does. I don't carry the stigma of Yu-Gi-Oh players because I don't play the game, I don't carry the historical gamers stigma because I don't really play historical games. JUST BECAUSE TWO SIMILAR EVENTS HAPPEN AT THE SAME PLACE AT THE SAME TIME DOES NOT MAKE THEM THE SAME THING.

Also I do love the mild hypocrisy of "I endured discrimination from the mainstream to become slightly more mainstream...now it's time to discriminate against a group more fringe than my own!"

I don't watch the show, though I find the following for it amusing in various ways and puzzling in others. However, I believe everyone is allowed to do what makes them happy as long as they don't hurt another to do it. If someone wants to come into a store and judge something they don't understand, that's their problem and your community is better off for not having their close-minded idiocy tainting it.

That said, I really would only have use for one model for a co-worker who shares a nickname with a characters so I'll be giving this one a pass. Good luck to the creator and I hope the backers enjoy their little toys as much as I enjoy the ones I prefer.