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Scenario:

5 Striking Scorpions in combat with 15 Ork boys. After all is said and done, Boys are at 8 models and Scorpions are down to 4. Boys, because they lost by 6, need to take a leadership test because they're below 10 models and are no longer fearless. This occurs how?

1) Take a leadership test at minus 6 to leadership, meaning the unit needs insane heroism not to be swept essentially (Scorpions have initiative 5, boys have 2, it's probably gonna happen)

OR

2) Take a leadership test at minus 2 (the wounds they lost by after dropping below 10 boys and losing their fearless status)?

Reason I ask is it seems REALLY stacked against orks if they drop below fearless and then immediately need insane heroism to come back into the fight.

#1 is correct. Orks need numbers to do well in CC.

Man... that's just brutal. Like... unnecessarily so...

Well i checked the BRB and for me it read more like #2.

The wording is not like for every Wound your Unit has taken (Case 1) but for every Wound that caused you to lose the meele.

So in that Chase It would be
7 Wounds (Lost) - 4 Wounds (Done) = -3 on Moral for Orks

You misread the OP I think. The scorpions only suffered one wound, so the orks lost by 6.

deathmagiks wrote:
Scenario:

5 Striking Scorpions in combat with 15 Ork boys. After all is said and done, Boys are at 8 models and Scorpions are down to 4. Boys, because they lost by 6, need to take a leadership test because they're below 10 models and are no longer fearless. This occurs how?

1) Take a leadership test at minus 6 to leadership, meaning the unit needs insane heroism not to be swept essentially (Scorpions have initiative 5, boys have 2, it's probably gonna happen)

OR

2) Take a leadership test at minus 2 (the wounds they lost by after dropping below 10 boys and losing their fearless status)?

Reason I ask is it seems REALLY stacked against orks if they drop below fearless and then immediately need insane heroism to come back into the fight.

its the first one
its semi stacked but lets remember how cheap boyz are and how many you can get. and being str4 on the charge that hurts things.
always keep your bosspole around!
what was the priceing on the 5models? compared to the 15boyz


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Fandarel wrote:
Well i checked the BRB and for me it read more like #2.

The wording is not like for every Wound your Unit has taken (Case 1) but for every Wound that caused you to lose the meele.

So in that Chase It would be
7 Wounds (Lost) - 4 Wounds (Done) = -3 on Moral for Orks

please give the page # you are reading this from in the BRB

Yeah its case 1, you lost combat by 6 so you take the LD test at minus 6.

Don't think of this as brutal towards Orks think of how amazingly over the top Mob Rule is. Most armies don't get to be fearless just because they have enough bodies. The Ork Boy remains one of the best troop choices in the game. Just the restof the codex is uunderwhelming in this edition.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yeah its case 1, you lost combat by 6 so you take the LD test at minus 6.

Don't think of this as brutal towards Orks think of how amazingly over the top Mob Rule is. Most armies don't get to be fearless just because they have enough bodies. The Ork Boy remains one of the best troop choices in the game. Just the restof the codex is uunderwhelming in this edition.

well i think he was more thinking we should have to take a leadership minus how ever many we stopped being fearless by.
maybe im not understanding what the OP was trying to say

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yeah its case 1, you lost combat by 6 so you take the LD test at minus 6.

Don't think of this as brutal towards Orks think of how amazingly over the top Mob Rule is. Most armies don't get to be fearless just because they have enough bodies. The Ork Boy remains one of the best troop choices in the game. Just the restof the codex is uunderwhelming in this edition.

No, most get ATSKNF, which is better

 Ascalam wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
think of how amazingly over the top Mob Rule is. Most armies don't get to be fearless just because they have enough bodies.

No, most get ATSKNF, which is better

And my religious zealots from the SoB get nothing... Book of St Lucius, how I miss thee! But I guess it made sisters too manly compared to Space Marines so it had to go. Now they run like women after most close combats.

To stay on topic, yes, option number one is correct.

Option one is correct.

It fits with the fluff. Orks are all or nothing. Once they get below a critical threshold, they break like dry tinder.

deathmagiks wrote:
Man... that's just brutal. Like... unnecessarily so...

Striking scorpions are an expert unit which excels at killing horde units and nothing else. It's not surprising that they run down boyz that easily. On the other hand, a warboss or a couple of nobz pretty much stomp them flat into the ground. Just put the right units in the right places