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Just bought the following:

Archdomina Makeda
Lord Assassin Morghoul
Molik Karn
Titan Gladiator
Agonizer
Cataphract Cetrati
Nihilators


Any other models I may be missing please let me know .

Bronzeback. It touches stuff, stuff dies! Kills Colossals with Fury left over.

Paingiver Beasthandlers(basically auto-include)

Basilisk Krea. very useful animus and a good shooting attack for shutting down living models.

Mortithurge Willbreaker. Good toolbox solo that can force beasts just like a Warlock(meaning you can charge outside your control and still force) Also has a good buff/debuff ability.


I'd also get pMorghoul. He's easier to use than his Epic version and is easier overall for learning the game. Plus he's really good when running a bunch of beasts.

If you get him, you'll want a Cyclops Brute to keep him on his feat. knocked down Morghoul is a dead Morghoul.

Molik Karn also has great synergy with him. He can get up to pow17 with Abuse and Enrage(from Beast Handlers), not to mention a massive threat range. Plus Morghoul really likes Fatewalker.

Awesome! Thanks for the advise. I will get pmorghoul and give him a go. I figured I bought the wrong one lol. How does a Cyclops brute keep him on his feet??

With his Animus Safeguard. Target model can't be knocked down and slam distance is reduced.

He also has Shield Guard so can take a hit for Morghoul as well.

If you are going to mainly use Morghoul a Bronzeback is nice to have, but if you are sticking with Makeda. You don't really need one. I would suggest Archidon instead.

Again for pMorg I would suggest Brute but for Makeda (with Cetrati) I would suggest Krea

Nearly every list will have Beast Handlers tho, so make sure you pick that up

pMorg really wants the Willbreaker, but Makeda doesn't find it an absolute must (still finds it really useful). Makeda would likely bring Tyrant Commander before Willbreaker

Marketh is really useful to help you cast spells with either of them, but relying on him when you are just learning the game might make you learn a little slower

IDK, Beat Back on Molik Karn is really REALLY good. Especially if he has 5 Fury to play with.

Ya Molik Karn was the first model the local game store owner tossed at me lol. evidently for good reason as I look at his profile. He seems very strong for not being a "heavy" and has a nice side step ability. Seems like he could be a great assassination character .

PMorg seems like he would have a problem running any more than 2 heavies (bronzeback and a gladiator) due to his lack of fury. Possibly use an Agonizer for Fury management and denial for my opponent?

Makeda seems like she would run a fast list . Hit hard and often. Would Nihiliators or swordsmen be better for her? Pmorg?

Gray1378 wrote:

PMorg seems like he would have a problem running any more than 2 heavies (bronzeback and a gladiator) due to his lack of fury. Possibly use an Agonizer for Fury management and denial for my opponent?

The Agonizer doesn't do Fury management, if you are having problems with too much Fury, you need Paingiver Beast Handlers.

Gray1378 wrote:
Ya Molik Karn was the first model the local game store owner tossed at me lol. evidently for good reason as I look at his profile. He seems very strong for not being a "heavy" and has a nice side step ability. Seems like he could be a great assassination character .

PMorg seems like he would have a problem running any more than 2 heavies (bronzeback and a gladiator) due to his lack of fury. Possibly use an Agonizer for Fury management and denial for my opponent?

Makeda seems like she would run a fast list . Hit hard and often. Would Nihiliators or swordsmen be better for her? Pmorg?

Makeda is good at Infantry, She can go the heavy route using Cetrati and either or she can go the faster route using both Nihilators and Swordsman

pMorg on the other hand does pretty much nothing for Infantry, I would just give him 3-4 Heavies, Willbreaker and a Brute
Bring 2 Sets of Beast Handlers to control Fury for this, also don't be afraid of using Beast Handlers infront of your beasts to block charge lanes

Gray1378 wrote:
Ya Molik Karn was the first model the local game store owner tossed at me lol. evidently for good reason as I look at his profile. He seems very strong for not being a "heavy" and has a nice side step ability. Seems like he could be a great assassination character .

PMorg seems like he would have a problem running any more than 2 heavies (bronzeback and a gladiator) due to his lack of fury. Possibly use an Agonizer for Fury management and denial for my opponent?

Makeda seems like she would run a fast list . Hit hard and often. Would Nihiliators or swordsmen be better for her? Pmorg?

Paingiver beast handlers are what manage your Fury. One of their actions is to put or take away as much fury as you want from a specific beast.

Also, Morghoul has the Maltreatment ability. Which effectively makes him Fury6. He can take a Fury off a beast during his activation in exchange for a small amount of damage to it.


The Bronzeback also can help. Friendly titans who aren't Bronzebacks themselves within his command range don't frenzy. So keep the BB nearby and they won't Frenzy. You will also find the BB rarely requires much Fury to kill stuff. If he's been Enraged and Abused he can easily trash a heavy jack or beast without forcing him at all. 2 pow 21 attacks, a pow20 attack, and most likely a free pow20 will see many things dead. And maybe 1 bought attack to finish the job. against an Arm19 model its doing 34 damage on average. The average heavy has 30-32 boxes.

Also, don't be afraid of leaving a couple Fury out there, or even letting a beast Frenzy. Molik has a Threshold of 10, so even with 1 fury left on him he has a 72% chance of passing. And you could take that Fury off him before he activates.

You can also send a beast on a suicide run. Charge a Gladiator forward and wreck an opponents heavy. Now your opponent has a heavy sitting in his lines. He's probably going to kill it because he can't afford to leave it there. Now you don't have to worry about the Fury at all. Cyclops Savages are also commonly used as throw away beasts.

Awesome advise. On the Agonizers card it reads

Fury Bank. A caster can move up to 5 fury onto the Agonizer in your warcasters control area. Well cant you allocate that focus to the Agonizer and then strip the other 5 or 6 fury from a beast in your control area?


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I plan on using the beast handlers. Tormenting your beasts into greater feats just is too good to pass up.

No. You dump the Fury on the Agonizer during the Warlocks activation. So well after you have leached Fury off the Beasts.

"While this model is in a friendly warlock's control area during the Warlock's activation, the Warlock can move Fury from itself to this model..."

Gotcha. Just misunderstood the order of things for his ability. Thank you for the clarification.

I was already looking at buying a min unit of beast handlers. Are there any Solo's I should be buying besides a couple of agonizers?


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Blade runners any good?

Unless you are running Rasheth's theme force you can only have 1 Agonizer as they are FA1.

I'd pick up at least 1 Willbreaker. He's a really useful support solo.

And no, BloodRunners aren't really any good. If you come across any undead infantry or tons of heavy infantry they will hit a brick wall and flop. Morghoul himself can do pretty much the same thing with greater reliability and safety.

He can charge a unit of infantry and using Overtake pretty much kill them all and then use Sprint to run back to safety.

You already have the best Skorne Infantry(Nhilators and Cetratii). Only further infantry you might consider is some Arcuarii, or more Cetratii and the character UA for them. And if you take a liking to Zaal maybe Immortals.

Bloodrunners are terrible

They were given absolutely insane movement shenanigans but no real ability to do anything with that movement, hopefully in MK3 they will be remade into something cool and useful because their models are absolutely beautiful

Cetrati, Nihilators and Incindiarii are considered our Tier 1 infantry by most

Nihilators, Swordsman and Slingers are considered our best all around infantry as well and easily the most popularly seen in list

Cetrati, Arcuarii and Incindiarii are all very strong but tend to have more narrow usage (You know its a real Skorne player when they are spelling these correctly!)

Immortals are a solid all around infantry as well but require specific support which can get costly

Karax and Bloodrunners are our "bad" infantry, people rather take Cetrati over Karax to fill similar roles and I already explained Bloodrunners

Ferox are not bad, they have great mobility but suffer a little of not having much to do after they abused their mobility. Still better (but also insanely more expensive) than Bloodrunners tho

I am not going to mention support infantry squads such as Tyrant Commander and Beast Handlers because they are more like super solos anyways, and are all amazing

Also we make really good use of minions! We have buffs that work exclusively on minions with our Task Master

Gatorman Posse are an incredible offensive unit with high mobility and damage

Farrow Slaughterhousers are high damage with the unique ability to easy dispatch tough units

OOH, I love me some slingers!

While I agree with most of the infantry rundowns Talamare just gave, I do feel obligated that this is another instance where "bad" doesn't really mean bad...at least for the Karax. I agree that you shouldn't really be running them with Morg or Makeda, but they're pretty good with Mordikaar and not bad with Zaal as fodder for his feat turn.

Otherwise, a full unit of venators with the UA can put out a fair amount of damage. I'm still not convinced enough by them to buy them all, but they're really good with whateverhisnameisthathasblackspot.


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I think it's eHexeris that has Black Spot? I can never remember, as I have never used either of them.

As a Cyriss player Slingers scare me. Keep your acid pots away from my shiny robotic minions!

I will have to take a better and closer look at slingers and their use with certain casters as there is several Crysis players in my current battlegroup. There seems to be more Khador, Cryx, and of course Menoth. Maybe there is still merit to bringing the slingers out for some fun.

Thank you guys for all the great advise. If you remember anything else please feel free to comment. You all have really given me a deeper understanding of Skorne. I have a feeling that others in my FLGS will not have such advise.

The only real problem with karax is that other factions get so much more for the same cost.

For the same cost, TFG have an extra point of Mat and Def. Plus they get Set-defense. Which is way more useful than the extra point of armor.

And Karax don't even have a UA.

But, Karax are a cheap speed bump unit for what its worth.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The only real problem with karax is that other factions get so much more for the same cost.

For the same cost, TFG have an extra point of Mat and Def. Plus they get Set-defense. Which is way more useful than the extra point of armor.

And Karax don't even have a UA.

But, Karax are a cheap speed bump unit for what its worth.

Which is why they work best with Mordi and Zaal - they're meant to die!

Buuuuttt...Slingers are great against Cryx too...assuming you can hit them with their stupid def 1000000. I really hate Cryx. Fortunately, they have a lot of non-living models for the slingers to target.

But our point is - Why not use Swordsman or Slingers instead who are useful while being same cost

Lets break down Karax, They have 3 specific abilities

Shield Wall
Girded
Ranked Attack

Now with these abilities you assume you want them frontline to absorb charges while protecting your squishy ranged units, but honestly with this set they won't survive the frontlines long enough to place them there.

So instead you might consider placing these guys on the second line, near your shooting infantry to protect them from blasts. This is valid and makes sense however in Skorne our shooting infantry are either insanely cheap or heavy infantry, Our Reiver is the outlier but honestly I think they are too weak and expensive to bother with.

Karax would probably be an MVP unit in Cygnar, and probably even really good in Legion too

Honestly Skorne is more likely to send all our range into the front line and let them absorb the charge to protect our more powerful heavies. Matter of fact we already do! Slingers are commonly used as Charge absorbers

I'm a Skorne player a few months into it and its starting to click for me and it feels so good.

A couple of things that helped me big time are The Way of Hoksune articles the 2nd one was really helpful: http://handcannononline.com/blog/2013/07/23/skorne-the-way-of-hoksune-part-ii/

Nice thing about Trevor's interview is you can see the army in action on youtube which really helps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfM6a61_0Rs

You can see more example of Trevor's work in Matt's YouTube channel

 Talamare wrote:
But our point is - Why not use Swordsman or Slingers instead who are useful while being same cost

Lets break down Karax, They have 3 specific abilities

Shield Wall
Girded
Ranked Attack

Now with these abilities you assume you want them frontline to absorb charges while protecting your squishy ranged units, but honestly with this set they won't survive the frontlines long enough to place them there.

So instead you might consider placing these guys on the second line, near your shooting infantry to protect them from blasts. This is valid and makes sense however in Skorne our shooting infantry are either insanely cheap or heavy infantry, Our Reiver is the outlier but honestly I think they are too weak and expensive to bother with.

Karax would probably be an MVP unit in Cygnar, and probably even really good in Legion too

Honestly Skorne is more likely to send all our range into the front line and let them absorb the charge to protect our more powerful heavies. Matter of fact we already do! Slingers are commonly used as Charge absorbers

I think I may have given you the wrong impression. I'm not arguing with you. I'm simply giving an example of when I would prefer to have Karax over something better. For the record, if it came down to it, I would take slingers before karax with mordi in a heartbeat. Not sure about Zaal since I haven't used him yet, but there it is. With Mordi, you can stick them in front of him to protect him from charges and make them tough and give you souls. Pretty nice for 6 points. I'm certainly not going to use them as my primary infantry in that list!

I don't think I would ever take karax over legionnaires if they were available in legion. Same point cost, but more casters that can buff them, and they have vengeance. <shrug> YMMV

I am definitely buying some things soon for skorne, sounds like slingers are a viable option .

Gonna have to pick up a gatormen posse too.
Thanks again guys!