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That would be worrisome, as it'd mean even the basic Battle Sister would eventually run out and they are artificially inflating the cost to make people field smaller or fewer armies of them.

On the other hand, it'd also mean they at least sold better than metal Valhallans or Iron Guard.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
GW could alleviate that awkwardness at any given moment simply by re-introducing the 10-girl boxes and selling them for a normal price. Apparently it's perfectly possible for metal IG who cost a whopping 20 pence per mini more than plastic Cadians. All that's missing is the will to do so.

Well, if you believe other rumours, all that is missing would be metal casting equipment. Most probably the warehouses are running out of metal models, or they don't have enough equipment to keep a reasonable production level.

Metal cast equipment hasn't gone away, GW just casts smaller runs of the metal models is all. If they didn't have the equipment anymore ALL metal models would be in danger of running out.

iirc the rumours were about the SoB moulds being broken or something, but ... yeah, rumours.

Oh, and I forgot to mention this in my last post - there's no problem using the digital downloads on a Windows PC. I did have to download a new reader (freeware) due to this ridiculous non-standard file format they are using, but it's not much of a hassle, so rest assured that the format won't keep you from reading the file.

.mobi and epub are non standard? They seem to be pretty widespread, though maybe less so than .pdf.

 Lynata wrote:
iirc the rumours were about the SoB moulds being broken or something, but ... yeah, rumours.

Oh, and I forgot to mention this in my last post - there's no problem using the digital downloads on a Windows PC. I did have to download a new reader (freeware) due to this ridiculous non-standard file format they are using, but it's not much of a hassle, so rest assured that the format won't keep you from reading the file.

Never saw those, and the US site has yet to start listing things as out of stock or taking anything down (I looked yesterday when someone on Warseer claimed that they were missing models). ACTUALLY the US site now has the Bolter Superior whom they haven't had in stock for a while.

Graphite wrote:.mobi and epub are non standard? They seem to be pretty widespread, though maybe less so than .pdf.

Widespread for tablets maybe, but as someone who "only" has a PC but is otherwise rather net-savvy I have never, ever heard of those formats before visiting the Black Library digital downloads section. Hell, even cbz I'm more familiar with.

PDF is the standard - it's a shame that someone at GW seems to have only looked at tablets (iOS and Kindle specifically?), but somehow I'm not surprised.

ClockworkZion wrote:ACTUALLY the US site now has the Bolter Superior whom they haven't had in stock for a while.

Aah, that's good to hear. I already speculated they may just be restocking back when people panicked about minis disappearing from the store (because that's what happened every time we were in this situation so far), but I admit I got a little worried as the situation persisted for weeks on end~

 Troike wrote:
Ah, I expected this to be here.

Not sure it's real. Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork, and the misspelling of "Adepta Sororitas".

Did you see the spelling errors in the digital SM dex? Unfortunately bad spelling is no indication of a forgery.

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

cammy wrote:
looks good,

although im hopefull that when they do the hardback version when they re-do their codex that they role the SOB, GK and Ordo Xenos into a single book. ( even if they are seperate armies)

SoB and GK are far too different to roll into a single codex, and both factions deserve their own book. Don't hold your breath on a Ordo Xenos release.

augustus5 wrote:Don't hold your breath on a Ordo Xenos release.

They announced a "Codex: Alien Hunters" back when C:WH and C: DH came out, but obviously never got around writing it. I could see Ordo Xenos work out as a sort of standalone digital mini-release with a few units you can use as Allies to any Imperial army. Inquisitors w/ retinue, Deathwatch squad, and ISTs? /OT

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

Yeah, no Hawkroot on Warseer. I tried boolean searches to see if his name pops up anywhere with Celestine or anything else on the list there and I'm not seeing it.

ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

Yeah, no Hawkroot on Warseer. I tried boolean searches to see if his name pops up anywhere with Celestine or anything else on the list there and I'm not seeing it.

Meh_ from here posted it in the wishlist thread. I'm getting nothing on google either. It looks waaaay too good to be true anyways. Exorcists with skyfire would single handedly break helldrakes. lol

So, either the real codex is a long way off or this is all we get. GW will say, "See? We didn't squat them!" And wipe their hands of it and be done with it. I'm not thrilled with this, but it is literally better than nothing.
I won't be excited until I see new figures.

 pretre wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

hawkroot on warseer about new sob digidex wrote:wrote:celestine scoring warlord trait
penitent engines are mcs, moved to elite
base sister 10p, can be taken 5-20
celestians have free power weapons
exorcist skyfire upgrade
immolators flamer s4 ap3 torrent stock, cost unchanged, multimelta ugprade free
repentia 16p, 5++ SoF, 4+ fnp
retributors now have interceptor upgrade

This looks fake. Can't find it on warseer and there's no user hawkroot on warseer.

Posted in the dakka wishlist thread. Bah.

Yeah, no Hawkroot on Warseer. I tried boolean searches to see if his name pops up anywhere with Celestine or anything else on the list there and I'm not seeing it.

Meh_ from here posted it in the wishlist thread. I'm getting nothing on google either. It looks waaaay too good to be true anyways. Exorcists with skyfire would single handedly break helldrakes. lol

And every other flyer in the game.

IF this is real Excorcists with a Skyfire upgrade makes me worried that it would replace their base shooting ability.

ClockworkZion wrote:
Excorcists with Skyfire upgrades make me worried that it would replace their base shooting ability.

Even if it did? Who cares. It is still awesome.

If this list was true, SOB would rule the world.
Helldrakes? F helldrakes. We have 48" Move and Fire Ap1 Skyfire.
FMC? F FMCs. We have skyfire and interceptor.
Fragile Penitent Engines? Not anymore! We have MCs to go into our lame elite slot.
Power armor? Meet scouting sisters with AP3 torrent flamers.
You want to keep that objective? Forget it, we have a even up chance for our scoring warlord to get back up and get it.

 pretre wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:
Excorcists with Skyfire upgrades make me worried that it would replace their base shooting ability.

Even if it did? Who cares. It is still awesome.

If this list was true, SOB would rule the world.
Helldrakes? F helldrakes. We have 48" Move and Fire Ap1 Skyfire.
FMC? F FMCs. We have skyfire and interceptor.
Fragile Penitent Engines? Not anymore! We have MCs to go into our lame elite slot.
Power armor? Meet scouting sisters with AP3 torrent flamers.
You want to keep that objective? Forget it, we have a even up chance for our scoring warlord to get back up and get it.

Okay, that does sound awesome and evil.

I got way too happy reading that. Evil laughing abound. Too good to be true for me.

 Lynata wrote:
GW could alleviate that awkwardness at any given moment simply by re-introducing the 10-girl boxes and selling them for a normal price. Apparently it's perfectly possible for metal IG who cost a whopping 20 pence per mini more than plastic Cadians. All that's missing is the will to do so.

I'm thinking that with the SoB, they don't see any point in putting effort into a range that they're just going to overhaul soonish anyway.

 MWHistorian wrote:
or this is all we get. GW will say, "See? We didn't squat them!" And wipe their hands of it and be done with it. I'm not thrilled with this, but it is literally better than nothing.

I don't think so. The plastics, which they've said they can now make, are yet to come. This is a stopgap for our stopgap, see, getting things ready for the big model/codex update. Because new models are possible, GW has a reason to sell their codex again. And since they're going to have to remake it to do this anyway, why not tweak it a little?

 pretre wrote:
If this list was true, SOB would rule the world.
Helldrakes? F helldrakes. We have 48" Move and Fire Ap1 Skyfire.
FMC? F FMCs. We have skyfire and interceptor.
Fragile Penitent Engines? Not anymore! We have MCs to go into our lame elite slot.
Power armor? Meet scouting sisters with AP3 torrent flamers.
You want to keep that objective? Forget it, we have a even up chance for our scoring warlord to get back up and get it.

I chuckled.

Can't see the picture.

Though coming from 4chan dosne't fill me with hope.

Well, that update would sell models.

 sing your life wrote:
Can't see the picture.

It is only visible to the faithful. Unbelievers merely see a small, nondescript square.

 sing your life wrote:
Though coming from 4chan dosne't fill me with hope.

Though some reliable sources have apparently said that they've seen it in the next WD themselves, which is highly encouraging.

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

Again, I love your optimism, but we've been hearing this for 15 years. I'm jaded because I have literally heard this before. The studio placates us with 'Oh, we're working on them' or 'Oh yeah, Jes is sculpting them and they look awesome' or whatever. And then no new models.

Updates to rules? Those happen every couple years. New models? Those have happened once. And it was like 3 or 4 metal models and two vehicle kits.

Yeah.

That is wish listing that made me very happy even if only for a brief moment.

Any/all of those changes would be pure awesome.

I remain optimistic because the other option is crushing depression and cynicism!

And the later gets so tiring.

 pretre wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

Again, I love your optimism, but we've been hearing this for 15 years. I'm jaded because I have literally heard this before. The studio placates us with 'Oh, we're working on them' or 'Oh yeah, Jes is sculpting them and they look awesome' or whatever. And then no new models.

I've looked into it quite a bit, but never once have I seen them say that the modelling issues were past. As I linked to you before, they've only ever been saying that the Sisters are having modelling issues, until recently. This all came straight from GW devs too, so it's pretty much the official word.

But then, we come to Enter the Citadel, and we're suddenly told that plastic Sisters are possible now. When have they said that before? It's only ever been comments about modelling issues holding them up, before. There's also the issue of what prompted this mini-update. They were quite happy to leave them nearly ignored for two years, but suddenly we're getting a mini-update? To me, this fits in perfectly with the Enter the Citadel comment. Now that a model update is possible, it's time to start selling the SoB rules again.

Two quick points: Forgeworld call them Adeptus Sororitas; and they recently dropped their version of the Immolator.

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Well, that update would sell models.

It would, but GW wants plastic Sisters, and have likely started work on them.

Again, I love your optimism, but we've been hearing this for 15 years. I'm jaded because I have literally heard this before. The studio placates us with 'Oh, we're working on them' or 'Oh yeah, Jes is sculpting them and they look awesome' or whatever. And then no new models.

I've looked into it quite a bit, but never once have I seen them say that the modelling issues were past. As I linked to you before, they've only ever been saying that the Sisters are having modelling issues, until recently. This all came straight from GW devs too, so it's pretty much the official word.

But then, we come to Enter the Citadel, and we're suddenly told that plastic Sisters are possible now. When have they said that before? It's only ever been comments about modelling issues holding them up, before. There's also the issue of what prompted this mini-update. They were quite happy to leave them nearly ignored for two years, but suddenly we're getting a mini-update? To me, this fits in perfectly with the Enter the Citadel comment. Now that a model update is possible, it's time to start selling the SoB rules again.

Dig deeper. We have gotten mini updates and promises of 'we're working on it' MANY times over the years.

2nd Edition SOB - '97
3rd Ed book list - '98
CJ lists - '01 or so
WD List - '01
Chapter Approved Compilation - '02
C:WH - '03
C:WH on the website with slight updates - '08-ish?
WD List again - '11
Update to WD List in Digital Form? - '13

No surprise. Just because they did not say they fixed the modelling issues before doesn't mean they didn't say 'Yeah, we're working on X and we're hopeful'. They've been saying it. Add to that rumors of Plastic SOB for 15 years and you have the current state of affairs.

I'm not trying to say you are wrong. I'm just trying to cushion you from the inevitable disappointment that is at the heart of every SOB player who has lived through multiple editions waiting for new models.


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On another site, someone brought up a good point:

Remember how stupid broken the intermediate chaos daemons supplement was? I'm not saying this is guaranteed, just that I wouldn't discount GWs ability to break an army...

Ooh, that's a good point. They let this stand for a couple months and then pull the rug out from under us.

Do we have any idea how much these codexs will cost? I use BA as allies all the time and I would hate for me to not be able to because of my lack of an e reader or substantial funding.

Although if these books are reasonable priced, might pick up the SoB book too.

 Happygrunt wrote:
Do we have any idea how much these codexs will cost? I use BA as allies all the time and I would hate for me to not be able to because of my lack of an e reader or substantial funding.

Although if these books are reasonable priced, might pick up the SoB book too.

$30 - $35. Space Marines was $45. I imagine these are supplement size so closer to $30. BA would probably be $35.

If we go the Daemons book route then we'll be getting a down right BROKEN army that'll ROFL-stomp it's way into legend than is then toned down into something more reasonable later.