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It's just a digital update to bring the WD 5th edition codex in line with 6th edition rules. A nice little bone to toss them until they are given their full blown codex.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm going to buy the digital, convert it and print it. Then, if a hardcover comes out, I'll buy that too.

I'm a sucker.

I doubt we will see a hardcover version of this. I think this is more of a stopgap until GW redoes the line, they probably figure they can make some money having people buy the WD rules.

I'm 100% certain there will be no rules changes or point cost changes at all. They will just recycle old stuff because they need all the new stuff for the proper codex release (said to be late 2014).

So the codex will still suck compared to everything else, everything will be over costed and the warlord traits will probably be pretty bad as well.

GW has a tradition of letting us SoB players down and this wont be any different, I wont be buying this until I've downloaded it to see if anything is changed. I still have the WDs and a warlords table can easily be copied or simply written down on paper.

If this rumor is true and they are giving sisters warlord traits I could see them getting other updates as well. Such as skyfire and even a point reduction.

Damn it people, stop having optimism. It's infectious.

It also strikes me as ironic that I'm nay-saying whilst most others seem to be hopeful about it, but oh well.

I'll say, though, that I would buy this in a second if it turns out to be true. If I can do so without a tablet, that is.

 Troike wrote:
Damn it people, stop having optimism. It's infectious.

It also strikes me as ironic that I'm nay-saying whilst most others seem to be hopeful about it, but oh well.

I'll say, though, that I would buy this in a second if it turns out to be true. If I can do so without a tablet, that is.

I think the point is to get our hopes up and then when it doesn't come out, we get so mad that we turn into a mob and storm GW HQ and take everyone as hostages until they release us a proper codex.

Colour me excited. The two armies I run are Sisters & BA. Even if there's only a mini-update I'll be picking up both.

So what formats are they going to be in and which is best for getting printed? Never bought digital product from GW before.

D

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
So the codex will still suck compared to everything else,

SOB are actually really points efficient and do pretty well right now, so I'm not sure where you are getting this.

 Necrosis wrote:
If this rumor is true and they are giving sisters warlord traits I could see them getting other updates as well. Such as skyfire and even a point reduction.

As I said in the SOB thread, I strongly doubt this. We will get a warlord table, specific traits for specific characters, typo fixes (if we're lucky) and some new artwork.


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 evildrcheese wrote:
So what formats are they going to be in and which is best for getting printed? Never bought digital product from GW before.D

ePub, Mobi and iTunes.

It shouldn't be difficult to convert ePub or Mobi to PDF and then PDF is simple as all heck to print.

I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

 Lansirill wrote:
I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

Yeah, im sitting on 2 sets maybe i should sell a set before it comes out

 conker249 wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:
I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

Yeah, im sitting on 2 sets maybe i should sell a set before it comes out

Aww, don't be like those guys selling the 'current' 5th edition SM codex on eBay.

 pretre wrote:

 conker249 wrote:

 Lansirill wrote:
I'll say it's true, simply because I finally got my hands on a copy of the WD rules a month or so ago.

Yeah, im sitting on 2 sets maybe i should sell a set before it comes out

Aww, don't be like those guys selling the 'current' 5th edition SM codex on eBay.

More to spread the wealth than for profit. Just never got around to selling the 2nd set 20$ plus shipping sounded fair. Not like the people who sell the set for 40+ because of demand. Not trying to be"one of those guys" lol

Ran into a reminder on Warseer that Best_Pone posted this recently:

An interesting tidbit I overheard being discussed recently is that Sisters of Battle are getting a digital codex release soon. Unfortunately, I'm still in the dark as to if there will be a physical codex release, or whether this is new material or just a repackaging of the current list.

I'm willing to bet that this is that digital release.

Not much of a bet.

 pretre wrote:
Not much of a bet.

Fair enough. I was just saying that this rumor has some weight behind it seeing as Best_Pone has a very solid track record so far.

 pretre wrote:
ePub, Mobi and iTunes.

It shouldn't be difficult to convert ePub or Mobi to PDF and then PDF is simple as all heck to print.

Could one purchase such a release without owning a tablet? I have heard people complaining about stuff being "iPad only".

 Troike wrote:

 pretre wrote:
ePub, Mobi and iTunes.

It shouldn't be difficult to convert ePub or Mobi to PDF and then PDF is simple as all heck to print.

Could one purchase such a release without owning a tablet? I have heard people complaining about stuff being "iPad only".

The Black Library formats can be loaded onto a smart phone so I imagine so.


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From the BL Website:

Are your eBooks available for the Kindle?
All of our eBooks and Hammer and Bolter are available from the Black Library website in a format that is compatible with the Kindle. Black Library eBooks will not be available from the Amazon website though.
In which formats will eBooks be available?
Mobi (the Kindle compatible format) and ePub (most other eReaders such as the Sony Reader and Barnes & Noble Nook).

Seeing as my phone has Kindle I'd think it's possible that you can get it on other devices but I can always be wrong!

Any chance it could be downloaded on a plain ole PC? Based on previous BL practice, that is; I don't buy ebooks, despite trying to write them, so this whole thing is kinda new to me.

If you get an ereader app for your PC, you should be fine. It is what I'm doing.

A Warlord table is more than what I was expecting from the rumor of a digital release.

 Madcat87 wrote:
A Warlord table is more than what I was expecting from the rumor of a digital release.

Yeah, they get one before orks, which is I believe now the oldest codex.

I chose odd armies to support, but hopefully the table will have some cool stuff. Ways to guarantee successful Acts of Faith, maybe?

So much optimism in this thread. You all know that this is an online rumor of a GW product right?

I think this is an appropriate qoute for some reason:

"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

Hoitash wrote:
Ways to guarantee successful Acts of Faith, maybe?

I would certainly expect something that buffs your Acts to be in an SoB warlord table, just because it's such a central mechanic for the army.

I'd also expect something something that buffs the morale and cc ability of a warlord and their unit. Maybe somebody who knows the crunch better could be more in-depth than that, but they both seem appropriate to the army.

war wrote:
So much optimism in this thread.

While it is nice to see the SoB community here exhibiting some, yeah, I'm still wary of those red flags I pointed out earlier. But hey, the new WD is out soon, so we won't have to wait long to find out if this is legit or not. Even if it's a hoax, none of the previous factors have changed anyway.

war wrote:
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"

But at the same time, let's not act like this comes in a vacuum. In recent months, we've had devs saying that Sisters are definetely in the works, devs saying that plastic Sisters are now possible and reliable source saying that GW staff have been saying that an SoB digital release is on the way. There seems to be a "precedent" for this to happen.

 Troike wrote:
There seems to be a "precedent" for this to happen.

Or the biggest, most well planned troll ever...

Let's hope that's not the case.

Hoitash wrote:
Or the biggest, most well planned troll ever...

Let's hope that's not the case.

Well, it doesn't take much planning to take advantage of some well-known rumour mongerer's latest tidbit. Yes, it is good opening for a troll. But, as I've said, we'll know what the deal is soon. So it's not like we'll have an agonising wait for this.


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 Troike wrote:
Note the use of Dark Heresy artwork

I should point out that, as said on a comment posted on another site, there's a precedent for this. The cover of the CSM codex actually came from a BL novel.

It'd be interesting to see them go to FF for art. Can't complain, though. FF makes some seriously nice SoB art.

 pretre wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
So the codex will still suck compared to everything else,

SOB are actually really points efficient and do pretty well right now, so I'm not sure where you are getting this.

Points efficient? Compared to what?

Troops
Battle Sister - 12points per model
3/4/3/3/1/3/1/8/3+ 6++
Power armour, bolt gun, bolt pistol, frag and krak
Acts of Faith, Light of the Emperor (regroups if falling back, reroll 1s in shooting and/or assault), Shield of Faith

Codex: Space Marines
Troops
Space Marine - 14points per model
4/4/4/4/1/4/1/8/3+
Power armour, boltgun, bolt pistol, frag and krak
ATSKNF, Chapter Tactics, Combat Squads

Codex: Chaos Space Marines
Troops
Chaos Space Marine - 13points per model
4/4/4/4/1/4/1/8/3+
Power armour, boltgun, bolt pistol, frag and krak

It's the same story for Elites, FA and Heavy Support. For +1-2 points you get +1WS +1S +1T +1I. On top of this you get the same or similar weapons options but usually at a cheaper points cost, even when comparing to codicies that came out before the SoB WD (Old SM codex, BA, SW).
If you are fielding Sisters of Battle there is nothing you can field cheaper or better when compared to space marines equivalents.

SoB are meant to be used in the 12"-24" range but there is nothing they can do at that range that can't be done more efficiently using any MEQ army.

But why compare them to SM? Because they are the most similar to them, they have the exact same wargear but MEQ get allot better stats for just 1-2pts more.

I do like rending heavy bolters, and our exorcist launcher, we do pump out a lot of AP1 compared to other armies with being able to take a lot of meltas,

GW truly gives no gak about SoB. The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

 Harriticus wrote:
GW truly gives no gak about SoB. The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

Well, the big honchos don't, but my local geedubs owner and I think an employee have sizeable SoB armies. Not sure if that is relevant in any way.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Points efficient? Compared to what?

If you are fielding Sisters of Battle there is nothing you can field cheaper or better when compared to space marines equivalents.

Celestine - Best Warlord in the Game for 115. Find me a marine equivalent.
5xDoms, 2 Meltas in a TLMM Immo - 170 for three twinlinked meltas (one multi). Find me a marine equivalent that does that much melta that cheap. With Scout for outflank or first turn melta.
10 Doms, 2 Meltas, 2 Flamers in a Repressor - 235 (200 for Rhino) AV13 transport with 2 Twin-linked flamers and 2 twin linked meltas. With Scout. First turn melta or outflank objective cleanser.
Exorcist - 135. Find me a 48" AP1 with one shot for that price. Now find me one that averages 3.5 shots at BS4.
Retributors - 85 for 4 rending HB. Yeah, find a light transport killer for that cheap in marines. Dakka pred comes closest, but Rets take out heavy infantry too.
Jacobus - 90 - One of the best allied HQs for blog IG. FNP, +1 Attack and Rerolls on the charge.
Conclave - 150 for the nastiest group of power weapons. 240 if you add Jacobus or Kyrinov. Much cooler in 5th, but still a premier countercharge unit.

Troops? Yeah, troops are our weak point, but SOB still have some very points efficient units.


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 Harriticus wrote:
GW truly gives no gak about SoB.

Gamer, please. That's why they squatted them 10 years ago, right?

The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

At least I will agree on this. With more support, SOB would sell better. That's a no-brainer.

 Troike wrote:

It'd be interesting to see them go to FF for art. Can't complain, though. FF makes some seriously nice SoB art.

I thought that the cover they took that art from was from a book Black Library published before Dark Heresy was taken up by Fantasy Flight. Technically they are just using their own art.

 Harriticus wrote:
GW truly gives no gak about SoB. The fact they act like this (and most of all, no plastic mini bundles) is a big reason why they're so unpopular.

If they don't give a gak, then why attempt to make plastics for them? Or (possibly) this?

The Sisters have been held up due to modelling issues, folks. Not some sinister dislike from the GW leadership, but the fact that GW ran into technical problems trying to make them in plastic (these are now resolved, apparently). They've been saying this for quite some time, now.

@Haemonculus
All the better, if so.