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 Troike wrote:
Ha, anybody else notice that all three weapons of the Holy Trinity are present on that artwork? A nice touch.

I did. I also got a Charlie's Angel vibe, but that might just be me...


Charlie's Sororitas?

That artwork looks real sweet.

I think the name change is probably due to legal reasons. Its IP and since they don't have models it would be a good idea to get a more protected title for the army.

Does the one on the left with the helmet have a different shoulderpad? Might just be with it being in the background but it looks circular like a guardsmans shoulderpad. Nah, probably just looking for some change in ascetic to hint at new plastics.

 S'jet wrote:
Cool art. Hope Canoness' become better with more options...

From previous experiences I've learnt to expect the absolute worst that could possible happen when it comes to GW and SoB (or would that be AS now?).

I'd say it's safe to assume Celestine will cost 100pts more and that's the only rules change we will see. Copy paste of the worst warlord traits from the rulebook wouldn't surprise me either.

Pessimism is the road that stops just short of disappointment .

 Nevelon wrote:


Charlie's Sororitas?

Definitely not just you.

I may actually buy this, and I'm pretty much done with 40k since... 4th?

Totalwar1402 wrote:I think the name change is probably due to legal reasons. Its IP and since they don't have models it would be a good idea to get a more protected title for the army.

But they do have models! You can go straight to the GW website and order them without any issues!
Though even if they did not have minis, it would still be protected material due to all the novels, the comics, the computer games, RPGs, etc.

Honestly, when it comes to names, GW should be more concerned about "Space Marines" - as unlike with the SoB that one is not original content.

Nevelon wrote:Charlie's Sororitas?

Once upon a time, there were three little girls who went to the Schola Progenium
And they were each assigned very hazardous duties.
<images of Dominica , Katherine and Silvana dancing for Goge Vandire, tasting his food, massaging his shoulders>
But I took them away from all that, and now they work for me.
My name is Sebastian.

 Lynata wrote:

Therion wrote:About the cover picture though, I can't see where all the laudation is coming from. The pose is just awful and she seems to be on steroids or HGH atleast judging from the facial features, all the while maintaining a bikini model slim waist. Additionally, even if the Adepta Sororitas officially sanctioned wargear includes triple D breast implants, I fail to see why the breastplate needs to have cups in it. Finally, the woman at the back appears to be the front one's clone (down to the same officially sanctioned mascara that they use), but if that's a thing in the background that I've missed then I apologise.

Battle Sisters have always looked that way. The Orders of the Sisterhood are monastic convents that practice a certain uniformity amongst their members, and in their role as living symbols of the Church Militant's might they do aim for an "angelic appearance". As for the cupped breastplate, although there is no official explanation yet, common theories are that they are the result of either the Ecclesiarchy attempting to circumvent the Decree Passive's rule of having "no men under arms", the mad High Lord Vandire's personal preferences, or quite simply a practice of the ancient sect of Daughters of the Emperor (basically Proto-SoB) on San Leor.

As teban mentioned, they fit nicely to the rest of 40k's visual aesthetics that are dominated by flying cathedral starships, chainsaw-blades and giant pauldrons.

I do agree that the waist looks a bit too thin on this piece of art (given that there should be a suit of powered armour underneath that corset, with up to an inch of ceramite plating plus an undersuit of electrically motivated fiber bundles), but as that is pretty much my only criticism and as the rest looks very badass, I can certainly live with it.

What a wonderful response. Thank you. My annoyance with it is a general annoyance with torso armour with cups. Women don't need cups for breasts to be able to fit inside armour, and in general it's strange an armour would be designed specifically for women. Additionally, I considered the aesthetic factor odd because nuns aren't stereotypically supposed to be sexy or known for making conscious attempts in affecting the opposite sex. Futuristic breastplates with cups would therefore fit renegades, cultists, or even ordinary humans a lot better than nuns who I believe don't have sexual relations with men outside their field of employment. I could live with an explanation that the person who designed the Sororitas armour in the 40K fiction is in fact a twisted, perverted male bishop -type, and the women who actually wear the armour despise it.

As far as the gothic 40K appearance is concerned, it certainly fits the classic Imperial style. On the other hand, some people have raised good points about 40K's supposedly grim gothic look not being as dominant anymore considering how badly the new Tau and Necrons (and of course Eldar) fit it. The tabletops look a lot less grim dark and a lot more generic sci-fi these days.

So I stay with my original assessment. I don't like the pose nor the face, and I generally don't like the cupped breastplates because I'm not twelve anymore. That doesn't mean the Adepta Sororita cannot be good looking, but I'd rather leave more for the imagination.

I also sometimes wonder where the 3+ armour save is coming from. By the looks of it, she is wearing a mix of cloth, leather and plated cups and shoulderpads. In most areas the armour is only a few millimetres thick, and some areas aren't covered at all. I guess that's good enough to stop a Predator MBT shooting you with its turret autocannon square in the chest.

Despite appearances, that's still Power Armor and is still made of some high dense, but lightweight, materials. She just happens to wear somethings that are made of cloth or leather over it.

That or the Emperor did it.

I'm stoked. I hope it's actually better. And I hope this isn't our "6E" update... like a real book plus models would be nice.

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm stoked. I hope it's actually better. And I hope this isn't our "6E" update... like a real book plus models would be nice.

This is A update, not THE update as far as I know. I'll reserve and speculation if/when we find out more.

Honestly, I fully expect a second update, only with plastics and a real book to be coming, it's just a matter of when.

Troike wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
mostly the use of lipstick

Yeah, that bugs me as well. The website store models are painted like it too.

They're not only highly disciplined soldiers, but insanely devoted fanatics who make a point of forgoing any self-indulgence. I'm not seeing how lipstick would be considered something that they'd use.

Come on, it's not lipstick, … it's just that they come from a planet where people have a different pigmentation than we do !

Nevelon wrote:At least two of the non-militant orders are already represented in the command squad, where you can have a hospitaler and dialogus. Not that anyone takes them, as that would require a cannoness, but there you go. Not sure how they could work in the Famolus ones.

They could bump them up to be more then just members of a command squad, as actual ICs in their own right. Depends what they want to focus the army on. It's already morphed into C:WH and back, so who knows what's in store this time. We'll find out in a couple of weeks.

They could possibly add the sabines as infiltration expert or something, but that's very unlikely, as that would require a new model.

Lynata wrote:Also, one of the White Dwarf issues following the 5E Minidex released had three missions for SoB, too. I remember because of the accompanying fluff piece stating that the Sisters exterminated several Marine Chapters in the past.

Really ? I never heard of it.

Therion wrote:So I stay with my original assessment. I don't like the pose nor the face, and I generally don't like the cupped breastplates because I'm not twelve anymore. That doesn't mean the Adepta Sororita cannot be good looking, but I'd rather leave more for the imagination.

I also sometimes wonder where the 3+ armour save is coming from. By the looks of it, she is wearing a mix of cloth, leather and plated cups and shoulderpads. In most areas the armour is only a few millimetres thick, and some areas aren't covered at all. I guess that's good enough to stop a Predator MBT shooting you with its turret autocannon square in the chest.

You might like to have a look at those old official artworks :
http://andreauderzo.deviantart.com/art/Retributors-42915169
http://andreauderzo.deviantart.com/art/Dominions-42895226
http://lolcatsneverdies.deviantart.com/art/Sisters-of-battle-42915291
Does that look 3+ armor save enough to you ? There's still the mandatory haircut, though, but it's perfectly okay with me. Why not ?
I really liked the way this guy draws them, they do look armored like walking tanks, as they should . Especially, the Retributor looks like she DESERVE Rending !

Does that look 3+ armor save enough to you ? There's still the mandatory haircut, though, but it's perfectly okay with me. Why not ?
I really liked the way this guy draws them, they do look armored like walking tanks, as they should . Especially, the Retributor looks like she DESERVE Rending !

That art you linked is certainly better, hence my criticism of the new cover art. Those older pictures still have ridiculous cups in the breastplates though. I'm not kidding when I say it looks stupid. Even if the objective is to make them 'hot' for male collectors and hobbyists, my point is that they'd look better (hotter) with plausible breastplates. If the only way an artist or a miniature designer can make an androgynous- or male looking sculpt or a drawing feminine instead is by adding incredibly large breasts to it, he or she is simply incompetent.

As a 28 year old white male I like the sexy space nuns. Don't take the sexy away.
If you take it away then we must call in Justin Timberlake to bring it back.

It's not impossible that the breastcups on the armour are purely ornamental , stuck onto a flat plate functional bit of chest armour

(to emphasis they are female and thus exempt from the 'no man' decree)

considering the amount of embellishment everything in the Imperium gets it fits as well as any other explanation

 Therion wrote:

Does that look 3+ armor save enough to you ? There's still the mandatory haircut, though, but it's perfectly okay with me. Why not ?
I really liked the way this guy draws them, they do look armored like walking tanks, as they should . Especially, the Retributor looks like she DESERVE Rending !

That art you linked is certainly better, hence my criticism of the new cover art. Those older pictures still have ridiculous cups in the breastplates though. I'm not kidding when I say it looks stupid. Even if the objective is to make them 'hot' for male collectors and hobbyists, my point is that they'd look better (hotter) with plausible breastplates. If the only way an artist or a miniature designer can make an androgynous- or male looking sculpt or a drawing feminine instead is by adding incredibly large breasts to it, he or she is simply incompetent.

You know its probably that way on purpose in terms of fluff since they cannot be mistaken for men under arms for the Ecclesiarchy. That's a big no-no.

Therion wrote:My annoyance with it is a general annoyance with torso armour with cups. Women don't need cups for breasts to be able to fit inside armour, and in general it's strange an armour would be designed specifically for women. Additionally, I considered the aesthetic factor odd because nuns aren't stereotypically supposed to be sexy or known for making conscious attempts in affecting the opposite sex. Futuristic breastplates with cups would therefore fit renegades, cultists, or even ordinary humans a lot better than nuns who I believe don't have sexual relations with men outside their field of employment. I could live with an explanation that the person who designed the Sororitas armour in the 40K fiction is in fact a twisted, perverted male bishop -type, and the women who actually wear the armour despise it.

I wouldn't say they despise it (given their lifestyle, I think they would be utterly unaware of sexuality as a whole and simply not "get" it!), but yeah, that twisted, perverted male would be Goge Vandire - the man who brought this cult into the Imperium and made them his bodyguards.

I would consider the Sisters' Angel-pattern PA as one of the very, very few examples of female armour "done right". Yes, you have breast cups, but it's still a far cry from the persisting standard of chainmail bikinis and belly-free breastplates. This one actually looks professional and "military", rather than just being eyecandy for a male onlooker.

I also think it may be 40k, in its usual tongue-in-cheek manner, either making fun of or riding along with the so-called nunsploitation. Yes, nuns may not be supposed to be sexy, but there certainly exists a fetish for it!

Therion wrote:I also sometimes wonder where the 3+ armour save is coming from. By the looks of it, she is wearing a mix of cloth, leather and plated cups and shoulderpads. In most areas the armour is only a few millimetres thick, and some areas aren't covered at all. I guess that's good enough to stop a Predator MBT shooting you with its turret autocannon square in the chest.

Space Marine armour plating was said in the 2E Codex Angels of Death to be "up to an inch thick", so power armour doesn't have to be bulky, it's just a common perception because Marines are already bulky by nature, and their armour includes a ton of optional gadgets that the Sororitas version has been explicitly mentioned (in 3E Codex Witch Hunters) to lack. Their armour is basically a "bare bones" version entirely focused on armoured protection, whereas the Marines also have drug dispensers, biomonitors, waste recyclers, advanced strength augmentation, etc.

But yeah, as I said, I agree that the waist looks too thin - Hybrid Son has linked a number of artworks that are more along my own thoughts too.

Oh, and you're quite welcome!

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:I really liked the way this guy draws them

Gal. But yes, her Sisters are awesome.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:It's not impossible that the breastcups on the armour are purely ornamental , stuck onto a flat plate functional bit of chest armour
(to emphasis they are female and thus exempt from the 'no man' decree)
considering the amount of embellishment everything in the Imperium gets it fits as well as any other explanation

We actually speculated about this a fair bit in the Sisters Wishlist thread!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/390/554335.page#6110752

We came to some pretty funny theories.

andrewm9 wrote:

 Therion wrote:

Does that look 3+ armor save enough to you ? There's still the mandatory haircut, though, but it's perfectly okay with me. Why not ?
I really liked the way this guy draws them, they do look armored like walking tanks, as they should . Especially, the Retributor looks like she DESERVE Rending !

That art you linked is certainly better, hence my criticism of the new cover art. Those older pictures still have ridiculous cups in the breastplates though. I'm not kidding when I say it looks stupid. Even if the objective is to make them 'hot' for male collectors and hobbyists, my point is that they'd look better (hotter) with plausible breastplates. If the only way an artist or a miniature designer can make an androgynous- or male looking sculpt or a drawing feminine instead is by adding incredibly large breasts to it, he or she is simply incompetent.

You know its probably that way on purpose in terms of fluff since they cannot be mistaken for men under arms for the Ecclesiarchy. That's a big no-no.

I don't find that explanation or theory plausible. If you'd mistake a Sister of Battle in Power Armour as a man without the breastcups, you'll still mistake them for men with the breastcups. Clearly after every battle a ministry officlal has to conduct an inspection of every Adepta Sororitas warrior to check that they are in fact female and not male. There might be male infiltrators.

Since we're now at the point of trying to imagine unbelievable background explanations for the fact that the Imperial wonderwomen all have triple D breastcups I think I'll withdraw from the subject so you can all go back to discussing the codex.

Therion wrote:Those older pictures still have ridiculous cups in the breastplates though. I'm not kidding when I say it looks stupid.

Well, at least we are spared the worse; most ridiculous (gaps)… nipple armor ! Hopefully only the gayest batman movie (not intended as an insult, just a little poke toward openly gay Joel Schumacher starting the movie with close-ups of nipple armor, crotch and bottoms of both Batman and Robin… ) and blood angel do nipple armor.

Lynata wrote:Gal.

Andrea is a woman ? That's usually a man's name in Italy.


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Well, actually the DeviantArt profile explicitly mention him as “male”.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Therion wrote:Those older pictures still have ridiculous cups in the breastplates though. I'm not kidding when I say it looks stupid.

Well, at least we are spared the worse; most ridiculous (gaps)… nipple armor ! Hopefully only the gayest batman movie (not intended as an insult, just a little poke toward openly gay Joel Schumacher starting the movie with close-ups of nipple armor, crotch and bottoms of both Batman and Robin… ) and blood angel do nipple armor.

Lynata wrote:Gal.

Andrea is a woman ? That's usually a man's name in Italy.


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Well, actually the DeviantArt profile explicitly mention him as “male”.

yes, Andrea is a dude, and yes, Andrea is a masculine name in Italy...
definitely one of my favorite artists going, right now...
his PP stuff, and his FFG stuff too, is so good...

now i'm off to see if the pre-order sample is up for download yet...

cheers
jah

Really, the only reason why the SoB have "boobie" armor is that you wouldn't be able to tell they were ladies on the battlefield, otherwise.

It's artistic exaggeration for 28mm scale that translates into the artwork.

Wow! Sorry about that - I was going solely by the name, and in Germany it would definitively be a female. The male form would be "Andreas".

Learning never stops, I guess. Thanks for clearing up that misconception! Still remains my fav artist as far as SoB are concerned.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
I'd say it's safe to assume Celestine will cost 100pts more and that's the only rules change we will see.

Heavy flamers and evisverators are also outstanding issues. And Cruddace said that they made minor points "tweaks". Note the plural.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Copy paste of the worst warlord traits from the rulebook wouldn't surprise me either.

That's not how warlord traits work. The codex ones are unique.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Pessimism is the road that stops just short of disappointment .

It can also veer into irrationality. Really, we've got no sign that this will be rubbish, beyond the logic of "oh they were under-supported in the past, therefore nothing good will ever happen to them ever". There are, however, signs that it'll be allright. Just look at the effort they've put into this, original artwork, new fluff, new rules, tweaking old rules... They haven't been lazy about it and just copied and pasted the White Dward codex, which is a good sign.

If you want to be sceptical, then it's best to reserve judgement until the thing is out. That way you still aren't giving yourslef any expectations that could be let down, but you're also not making yourself gloomy for no reason.

 Lynata wrote:
Still remains my fav artist as far as SoB are concerned.

What's more, the Facebook guy said that more artwork had been updated, so there'll probably be more artwork by him in the codex. Looking forward to seeing it.

 Troike wrote:
Just look at the effort they've put into this, original artwork, new fluff, new rules, tweaking old rules... They haven't been lazy about it and just copied and pasted the White Dward codex, which is a good sign.

Original artwork - <check>
New fluff - ....... Where?
New Rules - Warlord traits and ...........?
Tweaking old rules - .......Where?

If you have read it or there is a place that has some of the above info feel free to pm me where I can read it.

What information do we actually have that is accurate?

This is from the facebook.:
This was Eddie's comment to this earler: "It's certainly based on the White Dwarf Sisters of Battle Codex, but with new additions to bring it in line with the new books. Things like Warlords table, new Ecclesiarchy Relics and an Altar of War.
There's also new artwork and an expanded background section"

As far as I know everything else is quoted of unofficial sources.

What we do know is the cover, that it's the old WD dex and some added stuff to bring it in line with the new books (translation: Added some stuff so we can slap a $40 pricetag on it).
So Warlord table, wargear and "Altar of War"? Probably the old battle mission from the 3E Witchunter Codex.

If anything it sounds more like this will be a mini Iyanden codex. Copy paste WD rules and fluff, 1 page for warlord traits, 1 page for relics and a special mission. New fluff? Probably more about how the SoB got murdered by imperial forces to protect them from corruption.


Everything else is just hearsay, heck even the fb stuff wouldn't hold in court.

"Altar of War" is GW's collection of army specific missions. You're right, it's likely reprints.

However, I doubt the Sisters are going to get horribly murdered, they have a tendency to have that mostly happen in other books.

Odd considering Matyrdom is a them of theirs when you think about it.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Everything else is just hearsay, heck even the fb stuff wouldn't hold in court.

Watch out folks, we have an internet lawyer over here.


We are aware that it is hearsay. If we only went off of verified fact, these threads would be a lot more boring.

And since when do we take news and rumors to "court"?

Also, all four of these things are described in the facebook comment/wd announce:


Original artwork - <check>
New fluff - ....... Where? (expanded background section)
New Rules - Warlord traits and ...........? (New wargear)
Tweaking old rules - .......Where? (Original WD announcement saying they were being updated for 6th)

I always wonder why Sisters are the only army we never seem to be allowed to be optimistic about. Things have never been half as bad as the internet claims they will be and yet we can't show any positive signs.

To quote someone on /tg/:

Hmm... I've been away for a while, but this might just tempt me back

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I always wonder why Sisters are the only army we never seem to be allowed to be optimistic about. Things have never been half as bad as the internet claims they will be and yet we can't show any positive signs.

To quote someone on /tg/:

Here is another one:

I might just pick up some SoB allies for the funsies, instead of IG. I've always thought they were an interesting army.