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 Crimson wrote:

 Daba wrote:

According to BFG, Craftworld size ranges from small planet (Mercury sized) to larger than the Earth.

Really? That sounds absurd. On what page is that?

Each Craftworld houses hundreds of thousands to millions and millions of Eldar. Why *wouldn't* they be the size of planets?

Indeed, the Eldar are probably not content to be packed into a Hive type structure, so craftworlds might be incredibly huge.

 Psienesis wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Daba wrote:

According to BFG, Craftworld size ranges from small planet (Mercury sized) to larger than the Earth.

Really? That sounds absurd. On what page is that?

Each Craftworld houses hundreds of thousands to millions and millions of Eldar. Why *wouldn't* they be the size of planets?

According to the Iyanden supplement, countless billions.

 Psienesis wrote:

Each Craftworld houses hundreds of thousands to millions and millions of Eldar. Why *wouldn't* they be the size of planets?

Because planets are solid instead of hollow.

 Crimson wrote:

Because planets are solid instead of hollow.

Must be some empty ass Craftworlds.

In addition to housing the Eldar themselves, it must also house a self-contained biosphere that permits the creation of food, water and air, the handling of waste and recycling of any available materials that can be, their cultural artifacts, their means of industrial production, their shops, their centers of learning, their centers of medicine, their centers of worship, the means to produce their other vessel classes, as well as all the systems dedicated to the Craftworld itself.

Craftworlds certainly are huge, but I always thought them like bunch of huge cities stuck together, instead of being literally planet sized. Anyway, info on that is bloody vague and each craftworld is unique anyway so it really doesn't matter.

However, I've been researching this Imperial ship scale thing. Those numbers in FFG books drive me crazy. The ships do not seem to be properly scaled to each other, if we compare them to BFG ships. For example, they have Sword-class frigate at 1,6km, and Lunar-class cruiser at 5km. But in BFG Lunar is pretty exactly twice as long as Sword! And this doesn't match those Merzo charts either, because if Sword is 1,6 there's no way much smaller Cobra is 1,5...

I had some issues with FFG's reported ship-sizes, too, in that the cubic volume of one ship permitted something like only 3 cubic meters of space for every member of its crew, if it were fully staffed. Which sounds like a lot... but it isn't, because the interior of the vessel is not hollow. There's far less cubic volume of space within the ship than just its size would permit.

So, in the end, the crew/passengers listed would not have been able to physically fit within the vessel at the amounts listed.

Crimson wrote:Craftworlds certainly are huge, but I always thought them like bunch of huge cities stuck together, instead of being literally planet sized.

Have to admit, me as well. Kind of like the Mothership from Independence Day, maybe.

Crimson wrote:However, I've been researching this Imperial ship scale thing. Those numbers in FFG books drive me crazy. The ships do not seem to be properly scaled to each other, if we compare them to BFG ships. For example, they have Sword-class frigate at 1,6km, and Lunar-class cruiser at 5km. But in BFG Lunar is pretty exactly twice as long as Sword! And this doesn't match those Merzo charts either, because if Sword is 1,6 there's no way much smaller Cobra is 1,5...

Yeah, I think FFGs numbers are a bit strange. Although it's probably worth pointing out that the miniatures do not have to be "to-scale" (though I'd like to think they are), and that Merzo's guesses are no better than any other fan's.

I think BFG ship sizes are one of those topics hugely influenced by word of mouth, like Space Marine height or the good old "everything is canon". This thread is a nice example for the phenomenon. I grinned at the 4th post in particular @ "as established by the community"

I had always sort of envisioned them as, like, super-huge Mon Cal (from SW) cruisers... but more, you know, elf-like. Elegant, but following organic lines, rather than the brutish hard angles of Imperial or Orky ships.

Something like this:


... but with more Eldar flavor to it. Also, huge. Like, mind-numbing huge. The kind of huge that makes an Eldar Cruiser look like a TIE-fighter next to this thing.

Oh, yeah, in terms of shape definitively organic. Eldar'ish, if that makes any sense. And it should look like a place to live in, not just a vessel, but a place for entire generations of Eldar to grow up in. A world-ship.
Also, trees. And crystals.



Kinda like so, with the middle obviously being the habitat section with huge, kilometer-wide gardens etc, separated from the cold vacuum of space by a bubble of ... crystal again, I guess? Durable, yet completely transparent.

What? No one is in awe of the Star Ruler ship? I mean, it's so big that it's measured in *light years* across.

 Kain wrote:
What? No one is in awe of the Star Ruler ship? I mean, it's so big that it's measured in *light years* across.

How does it overcome its Schwarzschild radius?

 Daba wrote:

 Kain wrote:
What? No one is in awe of the Star Ruler ship? I mean, it's so big that it's measured in *light years* across.

How does it overcome its Schwarzschild radius?

I have no idea, the game is quite mediocre, but building ships larger than the observable universe is quite doable.

If I recall correctly, Sword of the Stars has some huge ships too. Like, galactic in scale.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
If I recall correctly, Sword of the Stars has some huge ships too. Like, galactic in scale.

At these sizes, weapons are a secondary thing, your ship is so big that just moving it around is going to cause havoc in galactic scale civilizations via gravity.

Which is actually really awesome.

I was wrong actually, they aren't nearly that big, lol.

The biggest ships are about the size of Australia or some gak. Which is still pretty huge, but then those ships are Eldritch Abominations, lol.