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Been tweaking a lot of my lists recently based on some playing I have been doing and was curious what you guys think of this simple, somewhat old school Ravenwing List I came up with. I own most of these models already and only need to buy the knights and librarian really, the rest is what I already use for various army lists.

HQ

Sammael on Jetbike

Librarian (level 2)
- Bike
- Force Sword + Bolt Pistol
- Power Field Generator
- Auspex

Ravenwing Command Squad (5 knights) ] Libby and Sammy go here]
- Grenade Launcher
- Apothecary
- Ravenwing Company Banner

Troops

Ravenwing Attack Squad (6 bikes)
- Vet sgt w/ Power sword
- 2x Plasma Gun
+ Multi Melta Attack Bike

Ravenwing Attack Squad (6 bikes)
- Vet sgt w/ Power sword
- 2x Plasma Gun
+ Multi Melta Attack Bike

Ravenwing Attack Squad (6 bikes)
- Vet sgt w/ Power sword
- 2x Melta Gun

Fast Attack

Land Speeder Typhoon

Land Speeder Typhoon

Total = 1498

I know that many people would encourage using a Dark Shroud. I am not a fan of the model and I think that I would prefer the extra firepower from the Typhoons over it. I have also considered dropping the melta sgts power sword and instead giving him a combi-melta + melta bombs for added tank hunting prowess and the same number of points. Just in case one of the meltas gets taken out, I have that "back up" shot for when I really need it. The other plasma squads go TEQ / MEQ / Monster hunting (I like plasma a lot). Sammy and Squad go beat up whatever they want and the Typhoons hang back and pick off hull points if something survives the meltas, and blasts anything that is straggling.

I am wondering what the best powers for the librarian would be. Divination is always a favorite, but prescience is slightly wasted on the bikes as they are already twin linked. It would be good for the corvus hammers in cc though, and increase Sammael's damage output in cc. Or if I get the power that makes an enemy unit re-roll successful saves, that could really benefit with all the plasma I am tossing around. If i could also get the power that allows them to ignore cover that would be ace too. I have also thought about Telepathy in the hopes of getting Invisibility, but I don't know how useful that will be when the squad is already getting a 4++ from the PFG. It would give them an insanely good cover save to use instead though. The other telepathy skills are kinda meh, and I could get stuck with something useless. Psycic shriek is OK, but I would probably want the librarian using his auspex to reduce cover anyway.

Thoughts?

- VardenV2

Dump the plasmas on regular bikers. That's a 42-point model, same cost as a Black Knight, and much worse. Drop a pair from each of those squads, take a squad of 4 BK for the same price.

I personally like the diversity of having the plasmas in the regular squad. If you bubble wrap them with the rest of the squad, they should be safe enough. It allows way more diversity for target acquisition. A really solid list though!

TheFishman wrote:
I personally like the diversity of having the plasmas in the regular squad. If you bubble wrap them with the rest of the squad, they should be safe enough. It allows way more diversity for target acquisition. A really solid list though!

I realize that they are not the most popular, but they are a hold over from my 4th edition days when they were my fav haha. I also don't go up against a whole lot that plasma + krak missiles can't take care of just as good as melta (ie. big vehicles) I still like them due to the extra range of 24" if I need it too. I am probably going to try and swap out the melta sgt's power sword for a combo-melta and melta bombs to help them go tank hunting, but I am worried they are going to get assaulted and he will die right away :/

I am trying to buy as little as possible atm so I want to make use of my models. I will definitely be buying some black knights though... stupid that they only come in a set of 3... I guess i'll get two packs and make the last one into the librarian or something.

If I were to expand to 1750 I would probably add in another speeder and then a squad of 5 or 6 bikes with 2x flamers and a sgt with power weapon (probably sword or maul) or a combo-flamer for some serious anti-horde duties. I ran a flamer bike back in 4th and have brought him out andhe always manages to survive and toast lots of people. I guess they aren't as afraid of the "cute flamer bike" when facing terminators and plasma bikes haha. He usually gets a good amount of kills hehe.

- VardenV2

Looks pretty good, may i ask why the company banner and not the dakka banner? I never have luck with plasma bikers. They tend to do nothing ,die or get hot on me lol. Im in favour of black knights they are the syrup and pancakes of RW.!

 SheSpits wrote:
Looks pretty good, may i ask why the company banner and not the dakka banner? I never have luck with plasma bikers. They tend to do nothing ,die or get hot on me lol. Im in favour of black knights they are the syrup and pancakes of RW.!

At 1500 I felt that the cost was too high for so few bikes. I made a 2000 points list that uses it and roughly 30 bikes with bolters. I will consider using the dakka banner though if I can find the points (maybe making a plasma squad into a flamer squad or dropping a typhoon?) Of course, I might be wrong and the dakka banner might be of great use here. I was worried that with such a juicy target the command squad would just get blasted down w/o doing anything. This way, the target saturation is a little more even. I'll take another look. Maybe for 1750 I will add in the dakka banner and a smaller squad of flamer bikes. Could be fun