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What are the most cheesy/OP combinations/units in Cygnar armies? I've been thinking about a full size unit of stormknights, 3 stormcallers and a journeyman, so you can put the enemy in combat with ARM 20 models with 5 damage apiece, all whilst you elecute them.

The eHaley double Stormwall list is the textbook example. Though you're not going to find things like you do in GW games with "one list to rule them all" netlists that do the rounds for 40k and WHFB.

Whilst we're here, check your spelling and grammar. You have a doozy of a malapropism in the final sentence of that OP.

I'm a fan of 2 combos.
1. Kraye's Full Tilt combined with Strangewayes's Evasive on a bruiser.
2. Kara Sloan with 3 hunters. with Reinhardt

 Grimtuff wrote:


Whilst we're here, check your spelling and grammar. You have a doozy of a malapropism in the final sentence of that OP.

No, my spelling/grammar is perfect. Certainly better than yours

I think dealing with Long gunners with a pow 21 range 18 shot is pretty brutal.

I played against Silver line stormguard in scenario frankly I was shut down for a turn.

In mangled metal tooth and claw, bringing as many minutemen as possible is over kill.

Boomhowler & Co with Jonas Murdoch. Put Arcane Shield or eCaine's Heightened Reflexes on them, and one of the best roadblock units in the game goes from "annoying" to "fiendish". They're good to pile onto zones & flags, so you don't lose on scenario while you're shooting things to bits.

Speaking of mercenaries, Taryn di la Rossivi got a boost from errata where her "ignore things I hit for LOS" sight works for non-Merc models. So if something you want to shoot is hiding behind a bigger base, problem solved.

The Black 13th are one of the best units in the game. Apart from dealing a lot of damage on their own, they also have Fire Beacon, which will relieve any problems you have with shooting Stealthed units.

Dual Stormwall in general is just brutal, especially if you can Arcane Shield them both (with a Journeyman Warcaster). For maximum annoyance, use their lightning pods to full effect. As well as just zapping things, they can open up multiple chances for Stormcallers to triangulate, contest zones and generally be dumped in awkward places for your opponent, where they have to use attacks to get rid of them.

Seems I should try bonding eCaine and a stormwall with the previous combination I though of.

I'm failing to see how most of these are "cheese". They're just standard strategies for the game.

"Take Tayrn" for example is not cheese. Esp. given the context of Warmahordes and what models can do in the game.

Cheese is spamming units and taking the best thing in the power curve.

eHaley/double Stormwall, eGaspy Banespam. These things are cheese.

Nemo's "Can't Charge me" List

 Talamare wrote:
Nemo's "Can't Charge me" List

What that?

 sing your life wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Nemo's "Can't Charge me" List

What that?

Nemo2, Max Silverline Stormguard and Centurions.

Genuine question, do you own the Cygnar book? As most of these can be seen by simply reading the entries in the book.

 Grimtuff wrote:
I'm failing to see how most of these are "cheese". They're just standard strategies for the game.

"Take Tayrn" for example is not cheese. Esp. given the context of Warmahordes and what models can do in the game.

Cheese is spamming units and taking the best thing in the power curve.

eHaley/double Stormwall, eGaspy Banespam. These things are cheese.

Not really. WMH doesn't really have cheese. There are annoying skew lists but nothing really that exploitative. Taking a strong list in a game where the fundamental tenet is "play to win" isn't really cheese.

Cheese is relative.

eHaley double stormwall is cheese by Warmachine standards. But its not unbeatable. You wouldn't consider it cheese by Warhammer standards.

 sing your life wrote:
Seems I should try bonding eCaine and a stormwall with the previous combination I though of.

eCaine doesn't have a warjack bond

Caine isn't into Bondage like Haley

Sining wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Seems I should try bonding eCaine and a stormwall with the previous combination I though of.

eCaine doesn't have a warjack bond

I meant having eCaine and a stormwall in the same army.

EDIT: Besides Rowdy would be better because he/she/it dosen't need a warcaster to babysit them.

Talamare wrote:Caine isn't into Bondage like Haley

Thank you for those disturbing mind-images.

 sing your life wrote:

Talamare wrote:Caine isn't into Bondage like Haley

Thank you for those disturbing mind-images.

Its not all bad, she really only likes heavy hitters

 Talamare wrote:
Caine isn't into Bondage like Haley

Victoria Haley isn't the kinky one. You're thinking of her twin sister, Gloria. That chick is into auto-erotic Asphixious.

I'm not a believer in cheese. But cygnar does have some things that are considered better or worse. In no particular order:

Top warcasters:
Ehaley
Estryker
Ecaine
Seige

Top jacks
Stormwall
Defender
Stormclad
Rowdy

Top units
ATGM
B13
Blazers
Boomhowlers
Forgegaurd

Solos
Jr.
Reinholdt
Storm smith

And the battle engine is solid.

It of course all depends on the caster. And my lists are certainly debatable and I probably missed a couple things. But in general these are generally accepted "power" units.

 Dais wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Caine isn't into Bondage like Haley

Victoria Haley isn't the kinky one. You're thinking of her twin sister, Gloria. That chick is into auto-erotic Asphixious.

Probably the best thing I've read in quite some time.

 Dais wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Caine isn't into Bondage like Haley

Victoria Haley isn't the kinky one. You're thinking of her twin sister, Gloria. That chick is into auto-erotic Asphixious.

I hope Gloria is remembering to use her arcane shield [if you know what I mean]

 sing your life wrote:

 Dais wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Caine isn't into Bondage like Haley

Victoria Haley isn't the kinky one. You're thinking of her twin sister, Gloria. That chick is into auto-erotic Asphixious.

I hope Gloria is remembering to use her arcane shield [if you know what I mean]

But Blessed weapons will just ignore it.

whoa, this is taking a strange turn for a gaming board...

It's only a matter of time with Cryx and Legion. They're not as easy of targets as Slanesh but they're not that hard to squik/double entendre too far.

This is just high-octane fanfic fuel.

Two of the most frustrating things that can happen to you in Warmachine is losing control over your turn and losing pieces without trading.

Cygnar happens to excel at both of those (caster + shooting)--which probably drives most of the angst.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
Two of the most frustrating things that can happen to you in Warmachine is losing control over your turn and losing pieces without trading.

Cygnar happens to excel at both of those (caster + shooting)--which probably drives most of the angst.

So what you're saying is that if I load down eHaley with ranged stuff, my opponents will rage quit and run off screaming, leaving me free to swipe up their army as the spoils of war. *scribbles notes furiously* Go on....

 grayshadow87 wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
Two of the most frustrating things that can happen to you in Warmachine is losing control over your turn and losing pieces without trading.

Cygnar happens to excel at both of those (caster + shooting)--which probably drives most of the angst.

So what you're saying is that if I load down eHaley with ranged stuff, my opponents will rage quit and run off screaming, leaving me free to swipe up their army as the spoils of war. *scribbles notes furiously* Go on....

That is option 1.

option 2 is they kick you in the nades for being an obnoxious twit

 Grey Templar wrote:

 grayshadow87 wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
Two of the most frustrating things that can happen to you in Warmachine is losing control over your turn and losing pieces without trading.

Cygnar happens to excel at both of those (caster + shooting)--which probably drives most of the angst.

So what you're saying is that if I load down eHaley with ranged stuff, my opponents will rage quit and run off screaming, leaving me free to swipe up their army as the spoils of war. *scribbles notes furiously* Go on....

That is option 1.

option 2 is they kick you in the nades for being an obnoxious twit

Or option 3. They man up and play you with their own army. Cygnar isn't the only one that can control others and make good trades in pieces.

Indeed. But Haley2 is a particularly obnoxious caster that has fewer counters than most.