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Looking at the "Core" pledge versus Vampire, I'm not seeing how this one is really lacking. There aren't as many "dogs and spiders" and seem to have more "Gnolls and Skeletons". People are surely looking at pure model count and going a little over board saying the value isn't fairly comparable as is.

Personally, the only thing I think is lacking is some sort of generic "fantasy human" type figures in the Core, similar to the Guards in Expansion 2. But that is more my preference. Those Expansion packs are also gold in my opinion. They are basically great value bundles. As suggested on KS, you might think about looking up the value of similar bones models to the ones you want in the Expansions, and if you find the two trolls you want are gonna be like $30 anyway, why not put down the other $20 and get a bunch of other models?

In general, I think the bulk of the whiners forget that these modeling companies are businesses and they don't put things into perspective when griping. If you don't like what you see, that's fine, you don't have to buy into it. But when folks start kicking and screaming and start acting like Reaper is just a bunch of capitalist swines because they have an over-inflated sense of how much they should get for $10, that's just ignorant and unneeded rantings.

czakk wrote:
Looks like the old standing tarrasque artwork.

Did they say its a tarrasque vs. something like Gauth 2.0?

Big stuff? If they show it off early on enough I may have go bump my pledge...

Here is something else to note for those in for $1:

If you are going to get $100 in add-ons, you can get $100 in add-ons from the "Core pledge" when the manager comes out. This may speed up your delivery time if you are in at Wave 7, 8, 9 for the $1.

For example: If you are wanting to get Expansion 1 and 2, a $10 dragon and the $15 Kraken, that is $125. You can pick those as options with a $1 level or a $100. Since there are more $100 packages with earlier shipping available, it would be benificial to go with the $100 pledge level since you are breaching that limit anyway.

Not sure if it is in the FAQ yet, but it constantly comes up in the comments section and clarified as a possibility by Reaper and staff.

We're going to be adding these two Barbarians sculpted by Kev White of Hasslefree Miniatures to every Core Set at $2,425,000! We're very excited to be collaborating with Kev on this!

That will bring the total in the core to 157 plus an assortment of 80 bases.

Also explains what Kev White was doing over at Reaper

Can't ever have too many Kev White models

~iPaint

Digging the male barbarian. Never been into female models that look like they couldn't pick up the weapon on they're model by a long shot (the same could be said for heroic scale in general, but it always seems more extreme on the ladies).

I wish it was easier to see the individual models in the core. There is just that one picture that is pretty zoomed out and everything is scrunched together. I understand they can't masterclass everything with paint due to time constraints but I wish I could see the goods a little more clearly.

It would be interesting to see a smaller, but more focused starter next time. Like just a ton of monsters. But only monsters. Or all cavalry. Or whatever. Only like 30-40 models for a hundred but less of a scattershot. They probably considered that, I guess they have their reasons.

 Silverthorne wrote:
I wish it was easier to see the individual models in the core. There is just that one picture that is pretty zoomed out and everything is scrunched together. I understand they can't masterclass everything with paint due to time constraints but I wish I could see the goods a little more clearly.

It would be interesting to see a smaller, but more focused starter next time. Like just a ton of monsters. But only monsters. Or all cavalry. Or whatever. Only like 30-40 models for a hundred but less of a scattershot. They probably considered that, I guess they have their reasons.

For many of your larger image needs, roll over and click throughs to the metal versions here:
http://www.bones.kgdcraftermath.com/

Reaper might not even do a third KS for bones. They'd have less and less to gain. KSes damage revenue streams for a while to get that initial boost. If you already have the customer base, there becomes less and less to gain from a KS the larger the customer base grows.

It's the same reason Games workshop has no reason or desire to do a KS.

 chris_valera wrote:

It's not whining it's just that that's a lot of Bathalians they're making, for no ral reason. Three variants of a race? Making big figures and Tyranid stand-ins I understand, but three variants of the same figure?

I'm not seeing the reason for grief on this point. It's like complaining that there are three different orcs, or trolls, or ogres.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Reaper might not even do a third KS for bones. They'd have less and less to gain. KSes damage revenue streams for a while to get that initial boost. If you already have the customer base, there becomes less and less to gain from a KS the larger the customer base grows.

It's the same reason Games workshop has no reason or desire to do a KS.

That's interesting. I can see why that would be the case, too. I guess it is all about marketshare. As a guy that doesn't play DnD (I'm mostly intimidated to join a a group because the only character that speaks to me is a druid, which are apparently OP) it's kinda hard to justify dropping that much fliff on these huge bucket o models. I saw some at my FLGS from the first bones. They were really well done. Without any organic thing to push the sales of models like GW has though... I mean what is their plan long term? It seems like the next move would be going into premium board games like Talisman and just pumping those out. But idk.

Thanks for the link also

czakk wrote:
Bullette added to the core trick card:

Everything on it looks quite decent, except for the legs, which.. I don't even...

The legs are being fixed


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 Silverthorne wrote:
They were really well done. Without any organic thing to push the sales of models like GW has though... I mean what is their plan long term? It seems like the next move would be going into premium board games like Talisman and just pumping those out. But idk.

Thanks for the link also

Reaper mostly sells to RPG players. Their bread and butter customer is someone looking for a specific individual mini to represent their PC, or a DM looking for a bad ass monster to put on the table.

They have a skirmish rules set as well, but it's not that well known afaik.

Yep, replied as I was catching up. Not sure what to do with this one. Expansion 2 could go either way for me. Expansion 3 went down the toilet with those crappy greys and the lack of trust I have on the shipping containers not being warped. (I should get some of the Proxie ones eventually).

The core is ...okay, but not compelling. (lots of stuff there to be sure, but it's a grab bag, and I already have a big grab bag of Bones) and a lot of the $10-add-on packs of figures look like the type that would be the ones that push me into getting the core, except they're add-on sets this time. Expansion 1 I could see keeping if I stay in.

Ultimately, I don't want to spend and can't afford to spend $500 on this stuff again, a year out. (I was in for over $1k on the last one). Maybe I should just let the $100 ride and sort it all out later with the pledge manager.

edit - misnumbered the expansions

Earth Dragon wrote:
Looking at the "Core" pledge versus Vampire, I'm not seeing how this one is really lacking. There aren't as many "dogs and spiders" and seem to have more "Gnolls and Skeletons". People are surely looking at pure model count and going a little over board saying the value isn't fairly comparable as is.

Personally, the only thing I think is lacking is some sort of generic "fantasy human" type figures in the Core, similar to the Guards in Expansion 2. But that is more my preference. Those Expansion packs are also gold in my opinion. They are basically great value bundles. As suggested on KS, you might think about looking up the value of similar bones models to the ones you want in the Expansions, and if you find the two trolls you want are gonna be like $30 anyway, why not put down the other $20 and get a bunch of other models?

In general, I think the bulk of the whiners forget that these modeling companies are businesses and they don't put things into perspective when griping. If you don't like what you see, that's fine, you don't have to buy into it. But when folks start kicking and screaming and start acting like Reaper is just a bunch of capitalist swines because they have an over-inflated sense of how much they should get for $10, that's just ignorant and unneeded rantings.

I mostly just liked the vampire model selection better.

Also, they're close....but remember you could trade out sophie for $25 of whatever. That's a major difference.

And then there's a 50% price increase if you're not in the States.

I like a lot from this, but I'll probably get it from a $1 pledge.

Yep, RPGs and they are really the go to source for the generic fantasy rules which are fairly popular like the various Song of rules, old school Battlesystem and a number of other crawl type games.

Reaper has built their company by not attaching it too firmly to a specific game system. They do some licensing, but most of their line is good old fashioned generic swords and sorcery which can be used as easily as replacements for board games, RPG minis, skirmish figures or as parts of a larger army.

In the past few years, they have begun to branch out into modern, sci-fi and pulp type figures outside of the fantasy genre...but as cautious accountants, they like to make sure everything is bought and paid for ahead of time.

 Azazelx wrote:

The core is ...okay, but not compelling. (lots of stuff there to be sure, but it's a grab bag, and I already have a big grab bag of Bones) and a lot of the $10-add-on packs of figures look like the type that would be the ones that push me into getting the core, except they're add-on sets this time. Expansion 1 I could see keeping if I stay in.

Yeah, they loaded the first Kickstarter with their best selling and looking models - for obvious reasons. I still like what's in the core (because I play pathfinder a lot) and can find a use for it all. Same with expansion 1 and 2. Expansion 3 isn't doing it for me yet. Not a whovian or interested in greys.

I feel like this campaign is missing the big show stopping models compared to Bones 1. It needs a Kaladrax or Nethermaul. Hopefully we will get one in the next 48 hours.

Not really interested in the core set. I don't think the Bones material works well on a small scale, only for big models. I bought the core set last time but sold it immediately when it arrived. Don't think I'll bother doing that this time.

yeah, I do think it can be either good or bad on the smaller models, but it truly shines on the medium and large models. That's the only reason Expansion 1 is still looking feasable to me.

I've got a good feeling about Expansion 2 as well. I like the option to just get a couple expansion instead of core. A pair of expansion ones is worth sitting on my pledge alone. I'll likely get more, but REALLY want to see what else is in two.

I put an extra $50 in for expansion 1 mostly because of the last addition (especially the bone wardens and goroloth cause its crazy looking), but I *could* just wait for retail since I'm not crazy for most of the rest of it. I was gonna switch it to expansion 3 but the greys kind of murdered that. Unless some really spectacular stuff goes into expansion 3, its toast for me. Nothing in expansion 2 I actually care for... I'll probably leave the $50 in just in case they do some crazy/awesome end-of-line game changers. If nothing else the Kraken looks ridiculously ridiculous (in a good way), those hill giants are cool, the big worm thing is crazy... I'll find something. Probably not going in for more unless they do something bat-guano insane before it's over though.

They ran OUT of $1 pledge packages. Wonder if they'll add 500 more with Jan 15 shipping expectation anytime now?

Seems like they do it when they're on. Wonder if they're keeping someone at it for the last 48 hours straight (would be a good idea I think). Update 60 did seem to go up after their supposed bed time.

Yes.....Kraken is beyond awesome. Must have for me.


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They are out of $1 pledges at the moment. If anyone is on a dollar pledge and plans on getting $100 in add-ons/expansions, you can use the $100 from a core pledge on anything. Might be nice to open up opportunities for others.

Just throwing it out there. Not looking for the usual "don't tell me what to do" over reaction to a suggestion

They've just said they're working on opening up more. Sounds like they will indeed have someone manning it beyond their usual hours, which makes sense.

Yep 250 pledge whatever packages just opened.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Reaper might not even do a third KS for bones. They'd have less and less to gain. KSes damage revenue streams for a while to get that initial boost. If you already have the customer base, there becomes less and less to gain from a KS the larger the customer base grows.

Well, the KS "bulk purchase" model is certainly different from the retail individual purchase one, so I'm thinking your average KS with deep pockets is more interested in getting a library / crapload of miniatures he might use for his RPGs, while the retail purchaser is, as said, looking for a specific miniature for next week's game. Reaper said they looked at other KS when designing the current one, and, I'm guessing, if other "$100 for 150 miniatures" KS still do well (cf. MYTH, Zombicide), that would encourage Reaper to run another KS.

OTOH, KS2 may actually generate some of this nebulous "profit", that could be used for more molds. In KS1, their "profit" was a rather astonishing paltry 1.59%, enough for detractors to claim they made money, but more like enough to buy an injection machine (which they're using for the bases), shelves, and warehouse space. Myself, I prefer to call this percentage as "wiggle room" considering all the unknowns that can and did happen in the previous KS campaign (eg. "dumbass taxes").

Reaper has a ridiculously huge catalog of miniatures. They mentioned possible KS for specialized lines, such as CAV, which does have a Bonesium prototype picture somewhere on the 'net. Fairlytale Games has shown a demand for fairytale miniatures, and Reaper certainly has those. Those "caeke" and mousling anthopomorphs have their own following as well. Reaper also has dissatisfaction with the traditional retailer-distributor system (whaddaya mean you won't carry 5000 miniature SKU's?) so may rely upon KS more than your typical game company.