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So my daemon prince gains jink if he dives after being shot at. If I went MoN would he have a 2+ cover save?

My codex is 20 miles out of reach, how did you come up with this?

He would have 5+ dive + 2 shrouding (for being a daemon of nurgle). This is a 3+ cover save. Now if you GtG or are in ruins then you will get up to a 2+ cover save.

 ansacs wrote:
He would have 5+ dive + 2 shrouding (for being a daemon of nurgle). This is a 3+ cover save. Now if you GtG or are in ruins then you will get up to a 2+ cover save.

That's what I was thinking, couldn't remember if it was Stealth or Shrouded.

 ansacs wrote:
He would have 5+ dive + 2 shrouding (for being a daemon of nurgle). This is a 3+ cover save. Now if you GtG or are in ruins then you will get up to a 2+ cover save.

Alright thanks man, was unsure if dive equaled a 5+ or 4+ save

 ansacs wrote:
He would have 5+ dive + 2 shrouding (for being a daemon of nurgle). This is a 3+ cover save. Now if you GtG or are in ruins then you will get up to a 2+ cover save.

Or are within 8" of the enemy shooting...

Can Monstrous Creatures go to ground? Most of the are Fearless, but Codex:CD doesn't have that. I'm pretty sure Swooping Flying Monsters can't.

On the other hand, you really shouldn't go to ground with a unit like that anyway.

 Wilytank wrote:
Can Monstrous Creatures go to ground? Most of the are Fearless, but Codex:CD doesn't have that. I'm pretty sure Swooping Flying Monsters can't.

On the other hand, you really shouldn't go to ground with a unit like that anyway.

They can go to ground. I've done it a couple of times, against S10 shooting after I had been grounded.

- You totally can Go to Ground, I raised this issue in YMDC a while ago and the overwhelming concensus was that it is fine. You can combine it with Dive for a 4+ at all times, even without cover, and Nurgle puts that to a 2+ with Shrouded.
- If you have Mental Fortitude somewhere in the army, you can cast it and immediately remove all the negative effects of GtG. You can therefore have a 2+ Cover save at all times with no downside as long as you keep passing that psychic check.

It's really, really sweet.

anonymou5 wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Can Monstrous Creatures go to ground? Most of the are Fearless, but Codex:CD doesn't have that. I'm pretty sure Swooping Flying Monsters can't.

On the other hand, you really shouldn't go to ground with a unit like that anyway.

They can go to ground. I've done it a couple of times, against S10 shooting after I had been grounded.

Still not seeing why you'd want to. If you do, you can't move next turn so he's not doing anything which makes him less useful already by not getting anywhere; plus, the enemy can then just line up another shot the following turn.

 Wilytank wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Can Monstrous Creatures go to ground? Most of the are Fearless, but Codex:CD doesn't have that. I'm pretty sure Swooping Flying Monsters can't.

On the other hand, you really shouldn't go to ground with a unit like that anyway.

They can go to ground. I've done it a couple of times, against S10 shooting after I had been grounded.

Still not seeing why you'd want to. If you do, you can't move next turn so he's not doing anything which makes him less useful already by not getting anywhere; plus, the enemy can then just line up another shot the following turn.

Mental Fortitude removes any penalties from G2G and allows you to act normally. As M3 Telepathy Psykers, Daemon Princes stand pretty good odds of rolling it up and can go to ground whenever they like with no downsides.

Mozzamanx wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Can Monstrous Creatures go to ground? Most of the are Fearless, but Codex:CD doesn't have that. I'm pretty sure Swooping Flying Monsters can't.

On the other hand, you really shouldn't go to ground with a unit like that anyway.

They can go to ground. I've done it a couple of times, against S10 shooting after I had been grounded.

Still not seeing why you'd want to. If you do, you can't move next turn so he's not doing anything which makes him less useful already by not getting anywhere; plus, the enemy can then just line up another shot the following turn.

Mental Fortitude removes any penalties from G2G and allows you to act normally. As M3 Telepathy Psykers, Daemon Princes stand pretty good odds of rolling it up and can go to ground whenever they like with no downsides.

If I'm playing Daemons, then I'm only trying to get Iron Arm and if I do then I'm not worried about s10 in the first place.

 Wilytank wrote:

Mozzamanx wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

anonymou5 wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:
Can Monstrous Creatures go to ground? Most of the are Fearless, but Codex:CD doesn't have that. I'm pretty sure Swooping Flying Monsters can't.

On the other hand, you really shouldn't go to ground with a unit like that anyway.

They can go to ground. I've done it a couple of times, against S10 shooting after I had been grounded.

Still not seeing why you'd want to. If you do, you can't move next turn so he's not doing anything which makes him less useful already by not getting anywhere; plus, the enemy can then just line up another shot the following turn.

Mental Fortitude removes any penalties from G2G and allows you to act normally. As M3 Telepathy Psykers, Daemon Princes stand pretty good odds of rolling it up and can go to ground whenever they like with no downsides.

If I'm playing Daemons, then I'm only trying to get Iron Arm and if I do then I'm not worried about s10 in the first place.

That's not entirely true. Sometimes it's better to roll on Telepathy than Biomancy. That's one of the great things about Psychic Armies, flexibility depending on enemy. Invisibility against Dark Eldar, for example, is far better than Iron Arm.