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2013/10/04 09:15:01
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I'm trying to work out what to put on my lords shoulders, and I can't settle. Part of me thinks 2 scatter lasers, as this is 8 str 6 shots, 4 of which will likely be twin linked. Another part of me thinks take 1 SL and a bright lance, for twin linking it and on the off chance I get a precision hit. It also means if I'm going to assault a vehicle, I have something worthwhile shooting at it with first. My only other temptation is 2 star cannons. I know this reduces my output to just 4 shots, but is this worth it for AP2?
Thoughts, opinions, and what other people run would be greatly appreciated!
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2013/10/04 09:30:54
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Foolproof Falcon Pilot
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Generally, you can find better places to put scatter lasers and such, I've always found wraith lords excel as solid AT platforms. Therefore, 2x BL all the way IMO. Also, 2 single BL shots>1 twin linked one-it's just inefficient to take SL and something else-especially with easy access to guide/prescience. Furthermore, the S8 is nice against T4 models.
Double star cannons could be fun and cute for the prescision shots but that is kind if gimmicky and unnecessary.
Keep in mind you also can get 2x Flamers for anti horde control. With iyanden's battle focus power, you can get ino position, flame then flame again in over watch then do some damage in CC.
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2013/10/04 10:25:43
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Executing Exarch
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I take two BL on the first wraithlord and 2 starcannons on the 2nd (if I take two)
If you take 2 scatter lasers - there was some sort of rule query with regard to the timing of shooting, but I can't remember the exact argument. It was something along the lines of they should all fire at the same time so you wouldn't get twin-linked.
But yeah, put scatter lasers on wave serpents and anti armour on wraithlords.
PS - Have you ever looked at the FW wraithseer? It gets a D-cannon, psychic powers and more wounds and is a hq choice, leaving more HS slots free 
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Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/04 12:03:51
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I have, I already take a Farseer for guide etc, and a spiritseer for voice of twilight, so I don't have any HQ slots free. I want to make The Lord my warlord as it fits fluff.
I considered making him pure horde control, but that makes me a touch light on AT. I like the idea of two bright lances with guide, but I am worried at his lack of weight of fire, having said that, st 8 ap 2 precision shots is under tempting! A possible nightmare for a farsight list with st 8 in combat to follow!
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2013/10/04 12:10:25
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Executing Exarch
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What size game you doing?
If its 2k, take the wraithseer as well and give your warlord fnp too
I'll look forward to seeing your list
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/04 12:38:59
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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It's a 2K list. That's what my buddies and I always play. But I don't think I can justify the points for the wraith seer as the expense of one of my other two HQ choices... Plus I've read the FAQ update for it on the FW website, and apart from feel no pain, the other psychic powers really don't excite me!
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2013/10/04 13:13:15
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Executing Exarch
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You can do double foc at 2k - all you need is 4 troops and you're covered (up to 4 Hq's). FNP is the only one worth using, but I take it as kinda extra heavy support - its a 4W wraithlord with a 5++ and a D-cannon, which also -1 to coversaves from wraithguard and wraithlords. That tends to make people rage.
But anyway, I'm really not trying to talk you into one. it does read like it...but I'm honestly not.
As I said, I'll look forward to your list
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/04 13:46:06
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Part of me thinks 2 scatter lasers, as this is 8 str 6 shots, 4 of which will likely be twin linked....
A Scatter Laser on a model cannot twin link another Scatter Laser on a model. You could only twin-link a different weapon. So Missile Launcher synergizes well with the Scatter, or a Shuriken Cannon if you play more aggressive with your Wraithlord.
Typically though, anti-armor load out is the way to go as your Serpents and War Walkers are better delivery of massed STR6+ shots.
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2013/10/04 13:47:54
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I might try and work it in, it is a lot of points though, almost enough for a second wraithknight!
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Ok, we are going to teeter dangerously close to an army list here, but who cares! Currently I have a Farseer, a spirit seer, a warlock, 10 guardians in a serpent, 10 avengers in a serpent, 5 wraith guard in a serpent, 2 squads of 3 jetbikes, 6 warp spiders, 5 dark reapers, a wraith lord and a wraith knight. Obviously there is a load of kit, equipment, exarchs and such in there that I haven't mentioned, but it's not the list building thread!
To fit in a wraith seer within this list, I need to free up 225 points. To me the obvious thing to lose is the reapers or the spiders, along with a squad of bikes, the problem is the spiders don't quite give me enough, and the reapers give me too many points. You can see my dilemma. I think it's an all round list, so to take a wraith seer would unbalance things.
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2013/10/04 14:08:42
Subject: Re:Wraith lord load outs.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I have faced a three WL army recently and I had grav bikes. Did not help. He used two with dual BLs and glaive and one with dual starcannons. You tend to forget that these guys are characters and can precision shoot.
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2013/10/04 14:37:26
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Ok, I'm starting a new Army list thread, I'll entitle it Dual FOC wraiths...
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2013/10/04 14:39:58
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Executing Exarch
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Stick a link in here?
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/04 15:05:24
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I don't know how? Automatically Appended Next Post: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/555999.page Automatically Appended Next Post: I hope that works?
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2013/10/04 18:50:23
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Does the Iyanden book specifically allow you to make a Wraithlord or Knight a warlord? If not, its not a legal choice. BRB, description of warlord says " HQ choice with highest leadership"
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2013/10/04 19:00:48
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Executing Exarch
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Yes, the Iyanden book allows that
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
Don't drown the enemy in legislation, drown them in explosives.
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2013/10/04 20:30:50
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Bounding Black Templar Assault Marine
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I would say the double missile is the best as you are a heavy and can hold objectives a lot of the time and staying REALLY far away from the fight with tough 8 makes them a really hard to kill late game thing (with the blast being really good at killing babies and tanks)
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2013/10/05 17:18:25
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Dakka Veteran
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Double BL & double flamer is the only way to go for the double WL
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2013/10/07 21:44:38
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Ok, I have 3 wraith lords team, sorry pedra but the Wraithseer had to go! Now the remainder of my army includes 15 wraithcannons, 5 d-scythes, 5 ghost axes, a serpent with TL SL, and 2 heavy wraith cannons, to that end, what do I take now? I'm thinking one with 2 BL and 2 with 2 starcannons. Flamers on all, of course...
Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
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2013/10/07 22:34:19
Subject: Re:Wraith lord load outs.
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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I would go with dual bright lances. This keeps them on anti tank/heavy infantry duties and you may get lucky and get a persision shot on an hq with a brightlance. I still love my wraithlord even if they are not the most competitive anymore, thier not easy to kill by any means compared to what some other armies got.
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2013/10/08 06:07:33
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Dual BL on all three?
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2013/10/08 07:02:56
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Dakka Veteran
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Yes
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2013/10/08 07:17:53
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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 Farseer Faenyin wrote:Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Part of me thinks 2 scatter lasers, as this is 8 str 6 shots, 4 of which will likely be twin linked....
A Scatter Laser on a model cannot twin link another Scatter Laser on a model. You could only twin-link a different weapon. So Missile Launcher synergizes well with the Scatter, or a Shuriken Cannon if you play more aggressive with your Wraithlord.
Typically though, anti-armor load out is the way to go as your Serpents and War Walkers are better delivery of massed STR6+ shots.
This is a good comment. I'd do it like this.
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2013/10/08 08:12:28
Subject: Re:Wraith lord load outs.
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War Walker Pilot with Withering Fire
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BL/BL is probably the best. Dedicated AT is something found sparingly in the codex. The Dual BL lord gives you a good platform for that, at least in most lists. If you had a list with a wraithcannon knight, and BL's spread all over the place elsewhere, pairing a Scatter Laser with a starcannon or shuriken cannon would be the next best choice. Laser lock is an amazing rule, take advantage of it.
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2013/10/08 08:48:26
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Ok, we'll in my list I have 15 wraith cannons, 5 scythes, a knight with heavy cannons, and a serpent with TL SL. I can afford 2 weapons on each lord of either starcannons SL or BL. Currently I've written in 2 with 2 starcannons, and 1 with 2 BL. I figure with a Farseer with guide/prescience I don't really need laser lock?
Thoughts?
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2013/10/08 14:40:24
Subject: Re:Wraith lord load outs.
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Belly wrote:BL/ BL is probably the best. Dedicated AT is something found sparingly in the codex. The Dual BL lord gives you a good platform for that, at least in most lists. If you had a list with a wraithcannon knight, and BL's spread all over the place elsewhere, pairing a Scatter Laser with a starcannon or shuriken cannon would be the next best choice. Laser lock is an amazing rule, take advantage of it.
So... dedicated AT is sparing, but I can put brightlances everywhere?
Personally, I like the 2xStarcannon as a loadout. It regularly kills 3 things in power armor (moral check for most squads), 1 speeder of some form, or puts solid wounds on a Riptide. 2xBL, 2xStarcannon, SL and SC, or SL and Missile Laucher are good loadouts. I perfer the ML on war walkers because I can take flakk if I need it, but it may still be viable on a Lord. No matter what, spread stuff out. Your Wraiths have a lot of STR 10, so you need fewer brightlances. At this point, play to the meta. Do you worry more about land raider rush, Monstrous creatures, power armor, or swarms?
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2013/10/08 15:56:18
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Battle suits and power armour! Pretty much everyone I play plays marines or something similar. Very few rocks serious numbers of high av tanks. There's some with large numbers of foot marines or fire warriors. There's an incredibly irritating farsight player, and that pretty much covers It for now. I know the bright lances are instant deathing suits, but so are the wraith cannons. The star cannons are better at dropping marines and MEQ, hence 2 with that load, and 1 with 2 x BL. Would you think I have it right?
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2013/10/08 16:01:16
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Deadly Dire Avenger
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With that meta i would probably go dual star cannon, having 4 S6 Ap2 shots a turn is great. Also with lords you may as well always give them the sword as when they do reach combat its a nice bonus for how cheap it is.
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2013/10/08 16:02:43
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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I thought about the swords, but I don't really have the points to spare, so it's settled, 2 with star cannons, and 1 with bright lances. I think I'm happy.......
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2013/10/08 16:28:33
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Farseer Faenyin wrote:Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Part of me thinks 2 scatter lasers, as this is 8 str 6 shots, 4 of which will likely be twin linked....
A Scatter Laser on a model cannot twin link another Scatter Laser on a model. You could only twin-link a different weapon. So Missile Launcher synergizes well with the Scatter, or a Shuriken Cannon if you play more aggressive with your Wraithlord.
Typically though, anti-armor load out is the way to go as your Serpents and War Walkers are better delivery of massed STR6+ shots.
yes, scatters dont twin link each other. but they dont synergize well with EMLs. nothing does. to expesive. there is no reason ever to take EMLs in my opinion. they synergize wel with starcannons, and thats about it. X2 scatetrsa is still an option though.
the different (competitve) ways to run a wraithlord
X2 BLs
X2 scatter lasers
X1 scatter lasers, X1 starcannon.
think thats about it
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2013/10/08 16:35:27
Subject: Wraith lord load outs.
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Not 2 x starcannons?
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