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Hey all, had a game the other night and a few things came up that didn't really get resolved properly due to it being early hours of the morning. I don't have the BRB handy so I'd like to ask you all for your interpretations...

1. My CSM Land Raider is hull down in front of my opponents ADL, wanting to fire weapons at a Wave Serpent about 3 inches away behind the ADL. How I see that is, the TL Las can see over the top (true LoS) of the high points of the ADL. The target vehicle is a skimmer, the high points of the ADL cover the bottom of the Wave Serpent by literally, a couple of millimetres. His view is that his vehicle is behind the ADL and entitled to the 4+ cover save.

2. A Wraithlord is in combat with a squad of Plague Marines. After the first round of combat, my turn allows me to get my biker lord and co. within charge range of the WL + PM combat. I declare that they will be charging into the assault. Apparently I can't charge any more units into that combat until it is over. I.E, one unit is killed. That can't be right, can it?

3. I'm still fairly new to this edition after a long break. Where the hell did Daemon Armour (2+ save) go?? :<

Your opponent was wrong on both counts.

1: The vehicle needs to be 25% obscured for a cover save.

2: There is no rule preventing a unit from charging a locked unit.

0) The forum is not a replacement for the BRB, and can get into trouble with GW legal department.

1) True-Line-of-Sight. Just being on the other side of an ADL is not enough, especially in the case of a vehicle. However, if the skimmer moved last turn (Jink) and had the Holo-fields upgrade, the save would still be 4+.

2) As long as you can get at least one model (initial charger, p21 BRB) from the new unit into base contact with the Wraithlord then you can charge. Your opponent might be confusing it with the Challenge rules (can't issue another unit the first is resolved).

3) Some things are lost when a new Codex is released (otherwise they would inflate dramatically over the years), I think you can get a 2+ through the Boon Table, but otherwise look at changing to Terminator armour.

1.The vehicle has to be covered 25% ( at least ) to get a cover save.Just being behind the ADL does not cut it for me.

2.Thats wrong.You are perfectly fine to charge another unit into that combat,your opponent then has to decide how he is going to split his attacks back between your two units.

3.Its gone.You can buy a DP power armour and aura of dark glory to be 3+ / 5+.Then make him a Tzeench DP for a 4++ ( I think ).

I hope this is even halfway correct and I hope it helps.

I'm not looking for a BRB replacement, I was just looking for interpretations as I said in my OP. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

The Wave Serpent didn't move in its last turn iirc. That's why he was adamant about receiving the cover save.

I'm aware of the other options for armour, it was more of a childish moaning question really lol. C:SM still get their Artificer armour, just makes me sad :<

Many thanks for your responses btw, they've set the record straight for next game

We havent had 2+ non-TDA since 3.5ed codex, sadly.

Ah right lol, funnily enough that was the last Codex I bought before I stopped playing :p

Pedro Kantor wrote:
3.Its gone.You can buy a DP power armour and aura of dark glory to be 3+ / 5+.Then make him a Tzeench DP for a 4++ ( I think ).

I hope this is even halfway correct and I hope it helps.

To clarify this point, Tzneetch DPs reroll all results of 1 when taking saves. A Tzneetch DP with PA has a 3+/5++ rerolling ones.

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 erick99 wrote:

Pedro Kantor wrote:
3.Its gone.You can buy a DP power armour and aura of dark glory to be 3+ / 5+.Then make him a Tzeench DP for a 4++ ( I think ).

I hope this is even halfway correct and I hope it helps.

To clarify this point, Tzneetch DPs reroll all results of 1 when taking saves. A Tzneetch DP with PA has a 3+/5++ rerolling ones.

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Doesn't the chaos space marines "Tzeentch" mark give +1 to invuln. saves instead of deamon's one granting a re-roll of 1's?
He was talking about a chaos space marine one, judging from the aura of dark glory (which isn't needed since a demon would have a 5++ anyway)

DPs become a daemon of their god, they can not take a mark. Mark of Tzneetch is +1 to invuln, but Daemon of Tzneetch is reroll 1s for saves.

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From my understanding there is no 'mark' when applied to a daemon prince regardless of what codex they are purchased from. Instead they are granted a different rule known as 'daemon of x,' which has a completely different list of bonus it grants compared to the 'mark of x' rule-sets. This is even true for daemons that 'evolve' through the chaos boons, which informs us that any champion turned into a daemon prince will replace it's 'mark of X' with the 'daemon of X' rule.

 erick99 wrote:
DPs become a daemon of their god, they can not take a mark. Mark of Tzneetch is +1 to invuln, but Daemon of Tzneetch is reroll 1s for saves.

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So Gw decided to get their hit together? nice.
My bad then

Asked/answered, locking up