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I have a question about how an abyssal staff on a Harbinger of Despair combos with a unit of Deathmarks and the HFH rule.

Please let me know if I understand this correctly.

1) Royal Court splits up at start of deployment and Despairtek with Abyssal Staff joins a unit of Deathmarks.
2) as the unit deploys they nominate an enemy unit on the board as Marked for Death (in this case a unit of CSM with a Lord)
3) When in range of template of the marked unit the Despairtek fires the Abyssal Staff and catches a unit of 5 CSM with a Lord getting 3 CSM and the Lord
4) Due to the HFH rule the CSM unit must make role against the majority leadership of the struck units (3 CSM at Ld 8, and 1 lord at Ld 10, so they each roll against Ld 8 even the CSM Lord even though his leadership is 10?)
5) the role against the leadership is 2D6?
6) the role will wound on a 2+ due to the HFH rule
7) the abyssal staff has AP 1 so will penetrate all armour, even terminator armour
7) since the minimum roll on a 2D6 is 2 this will always wound, and always ignore armour provided they don't have an invul save or a FNP save?

where are you getting 5 from? You aren't rolling a LD test, you are rolling to wound which is done with 1d6

See this is why I'm asking for clarification. I'm not arguing it should be the way I wrote it out, I'm confident I don't understand that's why I'm asking.

I thought it said you roll against the target's leadership so I assume you would roll 2d6 which is what is normally done when you test leadership as I understand it.


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so if I take your piece of info then if I understand it, you take the Abyssal staff's St (8) and use the target majority leadership (8) as the To Wound chart roll needed (4+)

but, due to HFH rule it's actually a 2+ regardless so long as I'm firing on the marked unit?

disdamn wrote:
I have a question about how an abyssal staff on a Harbinger of Despair combos with a unit of Deathmarks and the HFH rule.

Please let me know if I understand this correctly.

1) Royal Court splits up at start of deployment and Despairtek with Abyssal Staff joins a unit of Deathmarks.
2) as the unit deploys they nominate an enemy unit on the board as Marked for Death (in this case a unit of CSM with a Lord)
3) When in range of template of the marked unit the Despairtek fires the Abyssal Staff and catches a unit of 5 CSM with a Lord getting 3 CSM and the Lord
4) Due to the HFH rule the CSM unit must make role against the majority leadership of the struck units (3 CSM at Ld 8, and 1 lord at Ld 10, so they each roll against Ld 8 even the CSM Lord even though his leadership is 10?)
5) the role against the leadership is 2D6?
6) the role will wound on a 2+ due to the HFH rule
7) the abyssal staff has AP 1 so will penetrate all armour, even terminator armour
7) since the minimum roll on a 2D6 is 2 this will always wound, and always ignore armour provided they don't have an invul save or a FNP save?

Here is the reason why.

Crypteks/Lords from the royal court that join a unit count as part of the unit for all purposes. When Deathmarks with a Dispairtek attached mark a unit with HFH, The abyssal staff instead of wounding against majority leadership (which against Majority Leadership of 8 will take 4"s to wound) will wound on a roll of 2+ against the target unit only.

Also you only roll one dice to wound, and if a wound is scored you then compare the AP of the weapon to the AS of the Model having the wound allocated to it, there is no dice rolling against Armor saves. The only time you roll more than one dice when regarding AV (Vehicle armor) is for Melta/Armourbane/or any rule that adds a extra dice the the Armour pen roll.

disdamn wrote:

so if I take your piece of info then if I understand it, you take the Abyssal staff's St (8) and use the target majority leadership (8) as the To Wound chart roll needed (4+)

but, due to HFH rule it's actually a 2+ regardless so long as I'm firing on the marked unit?

Yes, this is correct.

disdamn wrote:
I have a question about how an abyssal staff on a Harbinger of Despair combos with a unit of Deathmarks and the HFH rule.

Please let me know if I understand this correctly.

1) Royal Court splits up at start of deployment and Despairtek with Abyssal Staff joins a unit of Deathmarks.
2) as the unit deploys they nominate an enemy unit on the board as Marked for Death (in this case a unit of CSM with a Lord)
3) When in range of template of the marked unit the Despairtek fires the Abyssal Staff and catches a unit of 5 CSM with a Lord getting 3 CSM and the Lord
4) Due to the HFH rule the CSM unit must make role against the majority leadership of the struck units (3 CSM at Ld 8, and 1 lord at Ld 10, so they each roll against Ld 8 even the CSM Lord even though his leadership is 10?)

So far correct.

5) the role against the leadership is 2D6?

Where are you getting this from?

6) the role will wound on a 2+ due to the HFH rule
7) the abyssal staff has AP 1 so will penetrate all armour, even terminator armour

Correct

thanks for helping clear this up for me. Appreciate it