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The one time I rolled on it Typhus turned into a DP...correct me if i'm wrong but he only get MoN right? Loses his daemon weapon and special abilities like the swarm and such?

chaosvoices wrote:

Bharring wrote:
So against an orc/CSM pair (1500 each) where the CSM (Black Legion) had Abby in an LR, a HellTurkey, 2xChosenx5, and the rest of his points into a DP of Tzeech with everything it seemed (Black Mace, ML3, etc).

The DP gets Multiple Rewards before the game starts.
Then he gets Multiple Rewards from that Multiple Rewards. Several good stuff (fortunately no +1 SV)

Then he gets Iron Arm, Endurance, and Gift for powers.

So we start (Eldar w/ an ally using GK). We put everything we have into the DP, and get it down to 1 wound. It rolls regain HP from GoM.

Next round, *every* aspect warrior in my Fire Dragon squad rolls a 1 on its Hit roll. Takes us 2 rounds to get it back down to 1 hp.

Again, it rolls full HP from GoM....

That one DP took everything we threw at it, but we simply couldn't down it. DP of Tzeech with Black Mace is just scary...

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong on this one too, but I thought that DPs couldn't get further Boons. The Champion of Chaos special rule on p28 says that only people with this special rule can earn extra through combat. DPs can buy one gift to begin with, but that is all they get, since they don't have the Champion of Chaos rule on their listing.

Am I right or wrong?

You are correct, but he got boon of mutation (he called it gift) as a psychic power, and i believe can cast it on himself with that.

portugus wrote:The one time I rolled on it Typhus turned into a DP...correct me if i'm wrong but he only get MoN right? Loses his daemon weapon and special abilities like the swarm and such?

Yes i believe so.

portugus wrote:The one time I rolled on it Typhus turned into a DP...correct me if i'm wrong but he only get MoN right? Loses his daemon weapon and special abilities like the swarm and such?

Yes i believe so.

 chaosvoices wrote:

portugus wrote:The one time I rolled on it Typhus turned into a DP...correct me if i'm wrong but he only get MoN right? Loses his daemon weapon and special abilities like the swarm and such?

Yes i believe so.

If he turned into a spawn, he keeps the Mark (+1T), but if he is turned into a Daemon Prince, he instead becomes a Daemon of Nurgle, which INSTEAD of the toughness boost, gives Hatred (Tzeentch), Shrouded, and Slow and Purposeful. I know, it sucks. I'd rather have a T6 Daemon Prince.

Hey, when you purchase the single roll on the table as wargear, can you still be turned into a spawn or a DP with it? I have considered it to add a little fun to my games. I thought I read that you don't use those results when you purchase the single roll upgrade.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
Hey, when you purchase the single roll on the table as wargear, can you still be turned into a spawn or a DP with it? I have considered it to add a little fun to my games. I thought I read that you don't use those results when you purchase the single roll upgrade.

No, you reroll all DP and spawn results as a gift of mutation.

 chaosvoices wrote:

Bharring wrote:
So against an orc/CSM pair (1500 each) where the CSM (Black Legion) had Abby in an LR, a HellTurkey, 2xChosenx5, and the rest of his points into a DP of Tzeech with everything it seemed (Black Mace, ML3, etc).

The DP gets Multiple Rewards before the game starts.
Then he gets Multiple Rewards from that Multiple Rewards. Several good stuff (fortunately no +1 SV)

Then he gets Iron Arm, Endurance, and Gift for powers.

So we start (Eldar w/ an ally using GK). We put everything we have into the DP, and get it down to 1 wound. It rolls regain HP from GoM.

Next round, *every* aspect warrior in my Fire Dragon squad rolls a 1 on its Hit roll. Takes us 2 rounds to get it back down to 1 hp.

Again, it rolls full HP from GoM....

That one DP took everything we threw at it, but we simply couldn't down it. DP of Tzeech with Black Mace is just scary...

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong on this one too, but I thought that DPs couldn't get further Boons. The Champion of Chaos special rule on p28 says that only people with this special rule can earn extra through combat. DPs can buy one gift to begin with, but that is all they get, since they don't have the Champion of Chaos rule on their listing.

Am I right or wrong?

Can't get multiple rewards from multiple rewards. In fact you can't get the same boon twice, they don't stack and no re rolls.so a second roll of multi rewards is just ignored same with any other boon

Can you cite? My teammate thought so, but he couldn't produce the rule that prevented it.

Although rerolling duplicates would make that player's 2+ rerollable DP (Tseech + -1 sv boon) much more common...

Bharring wrote:
Can you cite? My teammate thought so, but he couldn't produce the rule that prevented it.

Although rerolling duplicates would make that player's 2+ rerollable DP (Tseech + -1 sv boon) much more common...

Page 28 in C:CSM: "If a boon is rolled that the character already has, the roll has no effect."

This means anyone taking a -1 save multiple times is doing it wrong in my opinion. Boons do not stack. If you roll 51 "Mind of Metal" to get Adamantium Will, that's as good as it gets. You can't get it again and again to get Deny the Witch 2+. Or like 56, "Blademaster", +1WS. You can't get it more times, and get to WS 10. This goes for Multiple rewards as well, since it is a result on the chart. You get it once, then if you get it again, even as one of the extras just granted, it basically counts as an "Unworthy" result.

That's my take on the rules as written.

In a game against Orks, three of my champions became spawns at critical times.

I was mortified.

Another time, I got Dark Apotheosis on Typhus, but my DP was already on the field, so Typhus got liquified just for killing a SM captain.


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I also recall getting +1 toughness on a PM on turn 6 and getting Eternal Warrior on a cultist champ.

 Wilytank wrote:

Chaos Rule wrote:
typhus gaining a 1+ Armour save

He's already got Terminator armor. Getting an extra +1 on armor doesn't help him. If you're running around saying you can have 1+ armor, you're cheating. BRB clearly states that no matter the save, a 1 always fails.

Yes 1 always fails, but a 1+ would ignore ap2 would it not?

Probably.

In terms of consistency.... honestly I usually forget it entirely or after rolling it. Too much bookkeeping for something not worth it. But... I do remember what I got in the past few games.

Juggerlord kills the last psyker of the enemy. Gets the one where if you deny the witch it hurts the psykers. He won another challenge giving him a 5+ deny. Hurraaay...

1 cultist got +1 BS and in another game eternal warrior

Chaos Space Marine leader gets +1 BS (probably my most useful)
Chaos Terminator Sergeant of Tzeentch that I had kitted with a power axe and combi-plasma. Wins a challenge. Becomes spawn

And the greatest of all. My berserker sergeant gets to roll double on table. Eternal warrior and +1 BS woo!

 StarTrotter wrote:
In terms of consistency.... honestly I usually forget it entirely or after rolling it. Too much bookkeeping for something not worth it. But... I do remember what I got in the past few games.

Juggerlord kills the last psyker of the enemy. Gets the one where if you deny the witch it hurts the psykers. He won another challenge giving him a 5+ deny. Hurraaay...

1 cultist got +1 BS and in another game eternal warrior

Chaos Space Marine leader gets +1 BS (probably my most useful)
Chaos Terminator Sergeant of Tzeentch that I had kitted with a power axe and combi-plasma. Wins a challenge. Becomes spawn

And the greatest of all. My berserker sergeant gets to roll double on table. Eternal warrior and +1 BS woo!

*Le sigh*

Nurgle Lord on Bike GOM gets +1 Toughness, Later my sorc BOM's him and gives him Bloated (fittingly)

Daemon Prince once rolled Multiple Rewards and got a perfect roll of Bloated +1Toughness and Mechanoid (+1 to your armor save = 2+) He then went on to table my opponent as all my troops had died and without a direct tabling, I'd have lost the game.

Bad day... GOM on my Sorc turns him into a Spawn.

Other bad day. Kharn kills a Sergeant, gets multiple rewards, last one rolls Spawn, and loses all the wondrous things he just got.

Random day. GOM on my Slaneshi Sergeant in my Noise Marine squad, +1 BS, Mans my Quadgun for the rest of the game.

Abaddon rolls BOM due to Sorc Power, gets Multiple rewards, Rolls 2/3 Nothing of Note. Gets angry and kills everything anyways. The Tau fell in droves.

My rolls on the table have been universally neutral-to-bad. Aspiring Champ turned to Spawn once, numerous Unworthy Offerings, and a smattering of random buffs like +1 BS or Adamantium Will that I didn't even bother writing down. I think I once got +1 Armor Save on a champ but it was the last turn of the game so it didn't even matter.

There was one incident I will always remember though:

My friend is charging a Grey Knight brotherhood champion into a squad of chaos marines. He takes a wound from overwatch fire, so he has 1 wound left. Upon hitting combat, we realize that being forced into a challenge, and considering the wording on his combat stances rules, he actually would have a very hard time killing my single stupid Aspiring Champion (something about his only option for this situation is to make a single attack that causes instant death but only hits on a 4+, I forget), so he cast his wall of flame psychic power (whatever that's called) to up his chances. He then rolls boxcars, causing Perils and killing himself before the challenge even started.

We then decided that although technically the Aspiring Champ didn't kill the Brotherhood Champ, it would still look pretty impressive to the Chaos Gods, having a supremely badass swordsman die pathetically at your feet. So I rolled on the boon table, and nope: Spawn! Evidently they weren't fooled.

 Selym wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:
In terms of consistency.... honestly I usually forget it entirely or after rolling it. Too much bookkeeping for something not worth it. But... I do remember what I got in the past few games.

Juggerlord kills the last psyker of the enemy. Gets the one where if you deny the witch it hurts the psykers. He won another challenge giving him a 5+ deny. Hurraaay...

1 cultist got +1 BS and in another game eternal warrior

Chaos Space Marine leader gets +1 BS (probably my most useful)
Chaos Terminator Sergeant of Tzeentch that I had kitted with a power axe and combi-plasma. Wins a challenge. Becomes spawn

And the greatest of all. My berserker sergeant gets to roll double on table. Eternal warrior and +1 BS woo!

*Le sigh*

Funny part is my bs rolls are the exact opposite. I've become known for two things. One, my terribl/meh/sub-par rolls on the boon table. Two, the fact that I will roll when it doesn't make sense. 3 Space Marines left. 1 of them stands on area cover the other not. Enemy DS storm troopers. Take off the one not in cover, roll 5 saves of 5+, make them all. Earlier in game, that unit lost 4/10 models of Marines from 5 rolls xD. Cultists? I usually roll their save better than my own Marines. That multimelta on my KYOS dreadnought that has missed every shot. Oh you are going to assault me? *rolls 6 on overwatch and immobilizes* I only have one model that can destroy your rhino on this side of the field and only on a 6? *rolls plasma pistol, pops rhino in a massive explosion* Need to roll a 10 for the charge to succeed (was using a uinit of 2 nids left as meatshields but they had to charge 10 through cover), friend overwatches one because he knows my bs rolls, lives, makes the charge. And yet I still can't roll a single good roll on the boon table it seems xD


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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
My rolls on the table have been universally neutral-to-bad. Aspiring Champ turned to Spawn once, numerous Unworthy Offerings, and a smattering of random buffs like +1 BS or Adamantium Will that I didn't even bother writing down. I think I once got +1 Armor Save on a champ but it was the last turn of the game so it didn't even matter.

There was one incident I will always remember though:

My friend is charging a Grey Knight brotherhood champion into a squad of chaos marines. He takes a wound from overwatch fire, so he has 1 wound left. Upon hitting combat, we realize that being forced into a challenge, and considering the wording on his combat stances rules, he actually would have a very hard time killing my single stupid Aspiring Champion (something about his only option for this situation is to make a single attack that causes instant death but only hits on a 4+, I forget), so he cast his wall of flame psychic power (whatever that's called) to up his chances. He then rolls boxcars, causing Perils and killing himself before the challenge even started.

We then decided that although technically the Aspiring Champ didn't kill the Brotherhood Champ, it would still look pretty impressive to the Chaos Gods, having a supremely badass swordsman die pathetically at your feet. So I rolled on the boon table, and nope: Spawn! Evidently they weren't fooled.

*claps* this is the best story ever

GoliothOnline wrote:
Nurgle Lord on Bike GOM gets +1 Toughness, Later my sorc BOM's him and gives him Bloated (fittingly)

Daemon Prince once rolled Multiple Rewards and got a perfect roll of Bloated +1Toughness and Mechanoid (+1 to your armor save = 2+) He then went on to table my opponent as all my troops had died and without a direct tabling, I'd have lost the game.

Bad day... GOM on my Sorc turns him into a Spawn.

Other bad day. Kharn kills a Sergeant, gets multiple rewards, last one rolls Spawn, and loses all the wondrous things he just got.

Random day. GOM on my Slaneshi Sergeant in my Noise Marine squad, +1 BS, Mans my Quadgun for the rest of the game.

Abaddon rolls BOM due to Sorc Power, gets Multiple rewards, Rolls 2/3 Nothing of Note. Gets angry and kills everything anyways. The Tau fell in droves.

Gift of Mutation can't turn into a spawn, you have to re-roll the results.

kingleir wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

Chaos Rule wrote:
typhus gaining a 1+ Armour save

He's already got Terminator armor. Getting an extra +1 on armor doesn't help him. If you're running around saying you can have 1+ armor, you're cheating. BRB clearly states that no matter the save, a 1 always fails.

Yes 1 always fails, but a 1+ would ignore ap2 would it not?

No, because you can never have a 1+ save. Never, ever. The rules are not that a 1 always fails, they are that you can never have better than a 2+ save (and so 1 always fails).

Maximum Save, page 19.

+1 armour on terminator armour does absolutely nothing at all. If you are running around with a 1+ save you are cheating.

I always like to take GoM on my guys, I know it's not a competitive upgrade but I do it just for the laughs. I've had some success with the table as a whole, my last game had my Raptor Champion turn into a DP after killing a Warlock. Would have shifted the game in my favour but it was the last turn so it did squat. Best success I've had though is Abaddon with the "Re-roll saves" and FNP in the same game.

A recent game against a Chaos player included a 'very blessed' Chaos juggerlord.

After getting the ability to re-roll boons, he proceeded to kill two characters on turn 2. Both of these rolls happened to be the D3+1 more boons (or it might be D3 boons?). He proceeded to pick up almost all of the special rules - (shred, poison, sweeping advance Initiative thing, Adamantium Will, +1S, +1W, and something else).

This was after he killed Asurmen and Eldrad in combat, so naturally, I shot EVERYTHING in my army at the guy on turn 3. I reduced him down to one wound. He then joined a unit of zerkers, charged my dark reapers, after after wiping the squad, proceeded to regen all his wounds.

Turn 4, I shot him down to 2 wounds again, he charged and wiped my unit of storm guardians (it was a friendly game - no boons there, no characters.

Turn 5, he charged my 20 man guardian blob. He had a single wound left at this time, and my guardians failed to roll the 6 needed to wound him. the guardians were fearless due to the warlock, and held.

Turn 6, I accepted the challenge with my warlock, who wounded him, but he made the save. My guardians got swept, as he rolled another boon up. I forget what.

We played turn 7, where I was unable to get LOS on the lord, who was getting linebreaker, and holding the VP I needed to win, just by being alive.

So, this single lord, by himself (briefly with some zerkers), killed/swept 1,200 points of my 2,000 point army.

Truly an epic game, as this lord started in one corner of the table, and ended up in the other with a single wound, single handedly winning the game. NEVER AGAIN.