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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:


So while it's true the traitor legions mostly don't operate as unified organizations tens of thousands of marines strong, it's also true that no one does anymore, except possibly the Black Templars. But even the traitors who did scatter still fight as warbands whose sizes easily range from dozens of marines to many hundreds. And those warbands are sometimes comprised mostly, or entirely, of marines from a single traitor legion. Even the most completely shattered legions, like the World Eaters, probably still have some warbands kicking around comprising a few dozen World Eaters and no one else.

That doesn't matter. The overriding theme of Chaos Space Marines is still that of mix-matched warbands. That is what the Chaos Space Marines Codex should serve.

The theme of uniform Space Marine fighting forces is served by the Loyalist books. There is no distinctive difference between a Space Marines force painted entirely in blue, shouting "For the Emperor!" and a Space Marines force painted entirely in red, shouting "For the Blood God!". They are thematically so indistinguishable, that they don't really justify a separate book.

What sets Chaos Marines apart, what makes them different, the theme at the heart of the book are mix-and-match, multi-god (fragile) alliances of different war-bands.

Is it, in the background, conceivable, that you'd encounter an only-World Eater warband? Perhaps. Just as you might encounter an only Terminator, Ultramarines 1st Company army. But these are rare enough to be done with house-rules and campaign play. For the sake of game-play variety and diversity, it's the Thousand Sons + Plague Marines + Khorne Bikers that from the vast majority of Chaos Warbands (just as Tac Marines form the vast majority of Ultramarine deployments), hence those are the ones that the Codex focuses on.

Or it's just a typo and he meant T5

 Zweischneid wrote:
Is it, in the background, conceivable, that you'd encounter an only-World Eater warband? Perhaps. Just as you might encounter an only Terminator, Ultramarines 1st Company army. But these are rare enough to be done with house-rules and campaign play. For the sake of game-play variety and diversity, it's the Thousand Sons + Plague Marines + Khorne Bikers that from the vast majority of Chaos Warbands (just as Tac Marines form the vast majority of Ultramarine deployments), hence those are the ones that the Codex focuses on.

This makes no sense. I can see how maybe in isolated instances a single squad of World Eaters might end up separated from their warband and end up attached to a company of Iron Warriors, but I don't see how almost every single squad of World Eaters in the entire galaxy winds up this way as a matter of course. Did they just sit around on Skalathrax like a litter of puppies waiting for Chaos Lords to come by and adopt them? And you mean to tell me that the very same thing happened to almost every single other squad of CSM from every single other legion too? Do you remember that incident right after the Battle of Terra when the Chaos legions all stopped off at Ullanor on their way to the Eye of Terror and all the Chaos Lords picked warbands like middle school dodgeball teams? Cause I don't.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Is it, in the background, conceivable, that you'd encounter an only-World Eater warband? Perhaps. Just as you might encounter an only Terminator, Ultramarines 1st Company army. But these are rare enough to be done with house-rules and campaign play. For the sake of game-play variety and diversity, it's the Thousand Sons + Plague Marines + Khorne Bikers that from the vast majority of Chaos Warbands (just as Tac Marines form the vast majority of Ultramarine deployments), hence those are the ones that the Codex focuses on.

This makes no sense. I can see how maybe in isolated instances a single squad of World Eaters might end up separated from their warband and end up attached to a company of Iron Warriors, but I don't see how almost every single squad of World Eaters in the entire galaxy winds up this way as a matter of course. Did they just sit around on Skalathrax like a litter of puppies waiting for Chaos Lords to come by and adopt them? And you mean to tell me that the very same thing happened to almost every single other squad of CSM from every single other legion too? Do you remember that incident right after the Battle of Terra when the Chaos legions all stopped off at Ullanor on their way to the Eye of Terror and all the Chaos Lords picked warbands like middle school dodgeball teams? Cause I don't.

I mean despite the fact that the Black Legion has bigger forces then Space Marine Chapters, Word Bearers still being a Unified Force, Iron Warriors having a cohesive method for their warbands and units, and even then you'd still get Warbands of pure Cult troops like World Eaters, Which is far more common then Terminator 1st company..

He's been proven wrong on alot of things.

It was a typo, ofc it's T5
I play my Necrons too often and get fixed on T6 idea from my Destroyer Lord

Cheers for that clarification Dexter, I was getting unreasonably excited for a bit.