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I am going to be playing in a Last Man Standing tourny next month where the army allowance is 1000pts. I want to create a very shooty Take All Comers list, preferably with AntiAir and a Shokk Attack Gun because at 1000pts someone can still spam 3 Helldrakes. Currently my list is as follows:

Big Mek with SAG (95)
10 Lootas (150)
10 Lootas (150)
18 Grots (64)
30 Boyz PK BP (220)
30 Boyz PK BP (220)
Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun (100)

This puts me at 999pts, with one more Grot that's 1002. Because of my fear of flyer spam I want to fit in a Dakkajet (+1 TL Supa Shoota and Flyboss, 130pts) into there somehow but I can't seem to find the points without giving up something crucial. I can get rid of the Nobz for 80 points total but that still leaves me with 50 more points to make up. I can squeeze those points of the Boyz or Lootas without losing the Quad Gun but I feel like that will make my army too weak to deal with infantry.

Can I have my cake and eat it too or is fitting a Dakkajet in there asking for too much?

EDIT: I would do Green Tide but I do not own more than 60 Boyz.

I wouldnt worry bout dakka jet too much. Its more necessary if you are expecting lots of flyers and are already maxed out on lootas.

I would strongly suggest some form of shooting that can deal with AV 14. I wouldn't be surprised if someone runs a LR at 1k. Kannons are cheap, 3 MLs for about 75 points.

 Dr.Duck wrote:
I wouldnt worry bout dakka jet too much. Its more necessary if you are expecting lots of flyers and are already maxed out on lootas.

I would strongly suggest some form of shooting that can deal with AV 14. I wouldn't be surprised if someone runs a LR at 1k. Kannons are cheap, 3 MLs for about 75 points.

So should I give up the Nobz and 2 Boyz for 3 Kannons, another Boy and a Grot if I want Ammo Runts? I know I would need the ammo runts because I've had terrible luck with Kannon Shells lately.

8 shooty and 2 AP2 choppy :for: 3 AP3 shooty that get a total of 3 rerolls

Wouldn't it be easier to just assault the Landraider?

 Iiswin wrote:

 Dr.Duck wrote:
I wouldnt worry bout dakka jet too much. Its more necessary if you are expecting lots of flyers and are already maxed out on lootas.

I would strongly suggest some form of shooting that can deal with AV 14. I wouldn't be surprised if someone runs a LR at 1k. Kannons are cheap, 3 MLs for about 75 points.

So should I give up the Nobz and 2 Boyz for 3 Kannons, another Boy and a Grot if I want Ammo Runts? I know I would need the ammo runts because I've had terrible luck with Kannon Shells lately.

8 shooty and 2 AP2 choppy :for: 3 AP3 shooty that get a total of 3 rerolls

Wouldn't it be easier to just assault the Landraider?

If the dude ACTUALLY lets you assault his LR with ur foot slogging orks then hell ya it would be alot easier to take it out with 4 PK attacks. But how likely is that to happen?

Getting enough AT in a ork list is always hard. IMO there is no "easy" way to pop a high AV tank with orks. Its always complicated. I jsut think you should have more options available to you than just 2 PKs on foot.

120 boys and a warboss.

The only thing they can't get to is aerial vehicles, which are not scoring anyways.

Okay cool, thanks for the advice. I really need to get me some trukks and wagons...

Nobs are pretty rubbish right now in foot slogging lists.

Kannons are no good at killing AV 14. Just think, each kannon has a 1/12 chance of hitting and glancing AV 14 each shot. Thats rubbish.

Shokks, are cool and I love them, but they are not competitive, Id take a warboss, 30 lootas, aegis with no upgrades, and the as many boyz as possible, with the nobs, preferably squads of 30

 Dakkamite wrote:
Nobs are pretty rubbish right now in foot slogging lists.

Good to know. Any recommended replacements for the saved 80 points? Another SAG maybe or try to save elsewhere for a Dakkajet?

 Kaptain Skullstompa wrote:
Shokks, are cool and I love them, but they are not competitive, Id take a warboss, 30 lootas, aegis with no upgrades, and the as many boyz as possible, with the nobs, preferably squads of 30

I can't do that with 1000 points. 30 Lootas with Aegis alone are 500 points, throw in two squads of 30 Boyz with a Nob will give me almost no room for upgrades on a Warboss, maybe a some mid tier upgrades like a Big Choppa and 'Eavy Armour but nothing too special to make him worth bringing over a Big Mek IMO.

1000 P[oint list i ran ina tourney with friends was 3 sqauds of 20 boys 5 or 10 Lootas Big Mek Warboss and Killa Kans,
Luckily no one brought a Landraider, But i was facing crons eldar dark eldar and Grey Knights, and won all my games, tieing the game versus grey knights.
The kans can be used as AT if need be and they make decent cover for your advancing boys with the supporting fire from the Lootas. I dont remember the exact points of this list. but it should be round 1000.


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Also i agree with Dakkamite kannons arent gonna get you many lanraider pops your glancing on 6's you have the same odds with deftcoptas twinlinked rokkits. I usually just ignore it and wait for whatever is inside to get out.

if you really want that Dakka Jet
Big Mek with SAG,Ammo runt (98)
9 Lootas (135)
9 Lootas (135)
10 Grots +RH (40)
30 Boyz (180)
30 Boyz (180)
DakkaJet,Ext TL-SS,FB (130)
Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun (100)

morfydd wrote:
if you really want that Dakka Jet
Big Mek with SAG,Ammo runt (98)
9 Lootas (135)
9 Lootas (135)
10 Grots +RH (40)
30 Boyz (180)
30 Boyz (180)
DakkaJet,Ext TL-SS,FB (130)
Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun (100)

That looks like it will work out well. Thanks for the adjustments so I can fit the jet in there. I think I got a little too concerned with losing a "critical" amount of Lootas at 20.