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My Orks had a great 2500 point double FOC match against my buddy's Eldar this week. My plan was for 2×15 Mobz of Lootas, a KFF Big Mek, 3 Battlewagons of Shoots Boyz, and a maxed out Kannon battery to camp behind two Aegis Defense Lines with dual Quad Guns while a maxed out Kommando unit Ambushed with 3 Bike Bosses. The plan was to hold him off until the Warbosses wrecked/occupied his side of the table, then run the BWs out to grab objectives. Some poor reserve rolls kept them in Reserves until Turn 4, but I was amazed at how well my gun line did 700 points down against his entire list.

It got me thinking about how to run a similar scheme under 2000, probably 1850, without Forge World options. My biggest obstacle is to keep my Lootas safe, so I decided to mount them in BWs and have Trukk Boyz for objective grabbing and mobility. So far I have a KFF Big Mek in one of two BWs filled with 2×15 Lootas and a maxed out Kannon battery manning a Quad Gun behind an ADL. That is 1 Quad Gun less than the 2500 point list (the Shoots Boyz didn't do jack against his T8 and Wave Serpents). The Kommandos are maxed out with a single Bike Boss. Then I have three Mobz of 11 Boyz with a Nob, two in Trukks. I figure the hardest part of this list is keeping my Trukks alive, but since they are mainly for response and objective grabbing, I can even reserve them.

What do you think of this idea? What do you think will give it problems? Should I focus on the Gun Line and forget the Ambush? Any real tabletop anecdotes would be appreciated. Thanks.

I like it. Wish I had an eldar opponent to play against I might actually field my lootas

Only problem with ambush is you can't assault on the turn they arrive anymore, so they still need to survive a round of shooting.

 grendel083 wrote:
Only problem with ambush is you can't assault on the turn they arrive anymore, so they still need to survive a round of shooting.

The Kommandos did get lit up after they showed up, but their job is not to assault. They 1) deliver the Bike Boss's Skorcha and 2 Burnas to a tasty target, and 2) provide the Bike Boss with Move Through Cover and ablative wounds.

If Forge World is allowed, then I would would do as I have done before and Battle Brother a Dread Mob Pain Boss to give the Kommando unit FNP. Maybe the Mad Dok or a KFF Big Mek, but I would prefer the KFF to be with the Gun Line.

Since you get to pick where you want to start his rampage, Grotznik isn't much worse than a painboss when it comes to using Snikrot's ambush. Just make sure that your opponent can't easily switch your target for some bait unit during his turn.

 Jidmah wrote:
Since you get to pick where you want to start his rampage, Grotznik isn't much worse than a painboss when it comes to using Snikrot's ambush. Just make sure that your opponent can't easily switch your target for some bait unit during his turn.

I ran Grotsnik with Snikrot a lot in 5th and FNP 5++ Kommandoes were awesome!

The way I played it, and every opponent agreed is that the unit with Grotsnik must assault the closest unit, and then per the multi-assault rules, can assault other units. Of course if you shoot a unit that isn't the closest, then you run into an issue.

I would suggest bringing up the ability to Multi-assault with Grotsnik's unit before the game so you opp. understands.

Fingers crossed Snikrot regains the ability to assault from reserves in the next codex.

I thought you couldn't attach characters to infiltrator/outflanking units unless the character also had outflank/infiltrate in 6th

That's just infiltrate, outflank is fine.

 Kaptain Skullstompa wrote:
I thought you couldn't attach characters to infiltrator/outflanking units unless the character also had outflank/infiltrate in 6th

Snikrot also has the Ambush Special Rule, whicb is different from Outflank and does allow attached ICs.