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Before the new codex was on the radar, I started a pretty intense kitbash/conversion for a "counts as" vulkan for my Ultramarines army, Bulkan Ultra-stan. It turned out great, with the flame gauntlet cobbled together from a lightning claw, some guitar string hoses. GS'd some scales on the commander kit cloak, etc etc. It was my first real attempted at a converted custom model.

Then the bottom fell out and the new C:SM took it all away from me. Or did it?

What are your thoughts about using IC's from other chapters in your own? Would Vulkan be simply broken and/or awful in a army using Ultramarines Chapter Tactics? Is that allowed or disallowed by something?

I'd like my cool model to be able to count as Vulkan, but I don't want to have to learn how to use two different Chapter Tactics. Call me lazy, if you like.

I think you're looking at a rules question... If it comes down to thoughts on it, instead of the actual rules book(which I suggest you read more thoroughly to try to find your answer), you need to talk to those you play with to see what their thoughts are.

If you take vulkan, you are shoehorned into Salamanders Chapter Tactics

However, you could take Ultramarines, and ALLY Salamanders if you want, or vice versa, that is legal, just make sure you can tell them apart.

 Zygrot24 wrote:
Is that allowed or disallowed by something?

Pg 77 pretty clear about taking characters with different chap tactics.

Short of House ruling it you wouldn't be able to or just use allies.

I personally dont think its OP or broken to take vulkan him self as pretty much non of the smurf docs really do anything for him. but to avoid the confusion i would just bring him in as an ally

I admit to not really reading the codex terribly thoroughly yet. Lack of games has kept me from getting much into it.

Kind of depressing, I enjoyed the flexibility of the 5th edition codex. Another thing about the new C:SM that makes me sad.

No problems mate. i wanted to do a count as telion but not any more :/

Salamanders chapter tactics are still pretty cool and with vulkan are basically the exact same as the old codex (from what I can remember). Plus a little better because your characters get to master craft a weapon at choice.

It's dumb that Telion is only ultramarines now... :-/

Also you could just "proxy" your home made vulkan as a regularcaptain with a flamer and sword and play them as any chapter tactics you want. As long as your opponent doesn't get his panties in a bunch over it

In terms of gameplay you'll have to stick with whatever chapter tactics apply to that IC's chapter. Hobby and fluff wise? You could probably build your SM's to fit whatever specific chapter you want and then use the chapter rules for when you field those nifty special characters.


Then again, that might be a pain so...allies?

wait, so now we cant have ic's from another chapter? , I thaught we just had to make sure to say wich chap tactics you using

I use Imperial Fist chapter tactics. I am not able to field Calgar unless I use him as a proxy Capt, or CHapter Master. The IC now have special rules stating what chapter tactics they HAVE to use. Now I can field My IF successor and use Calgar and say I am using the boys in blues chapter tactics..but thats using the IC's special tactics. No Lysander in a Ultra Marine army anymore :(

 the shrouded lord wrote:
wait, so now we cant have ic's from another chapter? , I thaught we just had to make sure to say wich chap tactics you using

You can use your blue not-Vulkan and your Ultramarines army with Vulkan's rules, but only if you declare that your army is using Salamander rules, and not Ultramarines. If you want to use Calgar and Tigurius again, you have to remove Vulkan from the list and declare your army is using Ultramarine rules.

Circumvent all the nonsense and just go with allies.

 Zygrot24 wrote:
Then the bottom fell out and the new C:SM took it all away from me. Or did it?

What are your thoughts about using IC's from other chapters in your own? Would Vulkan be simply broken and/or awful in a army using Ultramarines Chapter Tactics? Is that allowed or disallowed by something?

I'd like my cool model to be able to count as Vulkan, but I don't want to have to learn how to use two different Chapter Tactics. Call me lazy, if you like.

Unfortunately now those special characters are limited to their chapter only. Kind of annoying when the ultramarines get half a dozen special characters filling all kinds of roles, while everyone else each gets ONE, or two in the case of the Black Templars. Not even remotely balanced or fair in typical GW fashion. I definitely prefered the "make the special characters yours" attitude of the older book as well. So officially you can't do it except as an allied force. In friendly games it is all up to your friends and you.

Of course, as long as you aren't trying to combine another UM special character with Vulkan you can just tell people your army is painted blue, but is actually fighting as the Salamanders because you like the chapter history, but prefered to paint blue instead of green. All that the chapter really indicates is what special characters and chapter tactics rules you are using now. Not really any different in my book than creating your chapter and saying it is a Salamanders successor. The color on the models ultimately doesn't matter. It is the rules being used and the making it clear to an opponent what those are that matters.

Skriker