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Hey all, seen a lot of back and forth about this. just looking for a defintive answer. Im running a Hawk Lords list with tiggy, ven dread, three tac squads, two scout squads in storms, three talons, and three ravens. I was planning on transporting the tacs, tiggy, and the dread in the ravens (leaving the scouts in their speeders on the table). Now my question is since the transports they'll be deployed in are flyers ( and thereofre not subject to the unit count for reserves as they MUST start in reserve), do the units embarked in them count against it? General concensus so far is no since they start in units that must start in reserves ( like pods). Comments, ideas? Thanks

Yes.


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There is no requirement to put them in the fliers therefore its not mandatory for them to start in reserve. They do count against your reserves count. Also I do believe that fliers do count towards your reserve limitations.

If the flyers are dedicated I don't believe the unit inside counts, just like with drop pods.

From the FAQ:

Q: Do units that are transported in a vehicle that MUST start in reserve count towards the number of units that can be placed in Reserves? For example , must I count the units in a Drop Pod or Valkyrie towards the 50% of units I can place in Reserves?
(p124)
A: No.

 Whumbachumba wrote:
From the FAQ:

Q: Do units that are transported in a vehicle that MUST start in reserve count towards the number of units that can be placed in Reserves? For example , must I count the units in a Drop Pod or Valkyrie towards the 50% of units I can place in Reserves?
(p124)
A: No.

I don't think any of the units in the OP have to actually start in reserves though, so the all count.

 namiel wrote:

There is no requirement to put them in the fliers therefore its not mandatory for them to start in reserve. They do count against your reserves count. Also I do believe that fliers do count towards your reserve limitations.

This is terribly wrong. They do NOT count. Read your FAQ, people.

The FAQ says, "Do units that are transported in a vehicle that MUST start in reserve count...?" It doesn't mention DTs, so this applies to all vehicles, whether dedicated or not.

Are the Tac Squads and Dread being transported in a vehicle that MUST start in reserve? Flyers must start in reserve, so the answer to that is yes.
Therefore, the Tac Squads, the IC, and the Dread all do NOT COUNT toward reserve limits.

In the OP's posted list, the things that will be tallied for 50% reserves are: two scout squads. Everything else is either a Flyer (so doesn't count), or starting the game in a Flyer (so also doesn't count.)

Now, it might be bad strategy to start the game with one measly Scout squad on the table...but it's legal.

Yeah, I completely brain farted on the flyers.

One of your scout squads must start on the table.

Thanks everyone for the help

I would also like to point out that the question even used the Valkyrie as an example, so it is very clear that it covers units starting in flyers. To my knowledge I do not know of a faction that is allowed to take a Valkyrie as a dedicated transport. This would cement the fact the FAQ is not limited to just units with dedicated transports, but to all transports and units that begin within them. Personally; I think the question was loaded because of this fact and find the 'no' is far to lazy an answer to cover all transports that but that view doesn't stop it from being a fact.

Now I could be mistaken but that would be a very flyer heavy faction if they where dedicated transports as well....

JinxDragon wrote:
.To my knowledge I do not know of a faction that is allowed to take a Valkyrie as a dedicated transport.

Elysian Drop troops.

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