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I'm making this thread because I want to get people's opinion on the various 40k media that is available.

I for one loved the game Space Marine. I thought it provided the most accurate non parodic view of the 40k universe. I literally laughed with glee at everything I recognized from the Space Marines themselves to the various weapons firing. Along that same line I also thoroughly enjoyed the Ultramarines movie despite the low production values.

I wasn't a particular fan of Dawn of War though. I didn't think they were bad games, in fact I should clarify that the first game was really good and all of them had great cutscenes, but the expansions had such bad voice acting that it was almost a parody of 40k. The direction the second game went in was a little disappointing to.

Now the rumor mill says we're getting a 40k MMO soon. I'm a little worried about this one because MMO's can often times make or break IP's. I feel like if it's good and does well my friends will be like "Oh you play 40k, you mean like that awesome MMO?". However, if it does bad I feel like my friends will be like "Oh you play 40k, you mean like that crappy MMO?". So I'm just worried, I think I'd rather them do a standalone single player but that's just me.

So what are your guys opinions. Do you like any of the media? Any one more than the other?

And an extra question (not on the poll): Are you worried about the upcoming MMO? Do you have any hopes for things they should or shouldn't do?

I think "40k media" is way, way too broad. That's really all encompassing, and includes the video games, books, and the Ultramarines movie. While I've enjoyed all of the 40k videogames (Fire Warrior wasn't THAT bad, Dawn of War 1, while I don't talk about it favorably now, was a lot of fun at the time, Dawn of War 2 is an all-time favorite of mine, and Space Marine was a fun romp) I can't say the same about all of the books (although I love many of them, some leave me cold) or the Ultramarines movie.

I'm happy to see GW moving forward with licensed stuff, and the quality of the books has only gotten better. 40k media as a whole is just too vague an umbrella term for me to give you a great answer.

Yeah I just changed the name of the thread to make it a little more narrow. I was more referring to the video games and movies. I do like the books and I agree there quality has gotten better, though no one will surpass Dan Abnett.

I completely forgot about the Fire a Warrior video game. I never played it and heard some terrible and ridiculous things about it.

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The games are great fun, I hope they keep making more along the lines of DoW 1/2 and Space Marine, though Space Marine needs the most work. Also ample opportunity to branch into other genres.

The Ultamarine movie was shocking. Don't have any faith in good movies coming from the license sadly.

I like having the movies and games available. It's nice to veiw 40k in motion.

I've been a fan of a lot of the media out put that they have. I am a fan of RTS games so Dawn of War 1 was fun, and became better with the release of Soul Storm which gave you more a table top campaign feel. We played a lot of it on the LAN while deployed. Dawn of War 2 was a great concept a lot of fun, my favorite levels were the Space Hulks. Space Marine is a great game to play single player and online, even though I did get tired of listening to people complain about why it wasn't Cato as the leading man, but that has a lot to do with copy rights even though GW licensed the work. A lot of the other games were entertaining, but didn't leave a huge impression.

As the stories goes, the 40k universe has the best stories out there as fluff goes. It really started to become a better product when it no longer focused around Space Marines and Chaos the whole time and started adding in the Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tau. I get that the Space Marines are the poster children but we all like some other things as well. By far though I do enjoy the Heresy books, nothing like looking to the past to shape your future.

I loved all the video games. Played Dark Crusade and had a ton of fun. Played Kill team on Xbox at my cousin's and loved that. Really want to play the space marine game after seeing Totalbiscut play it. Saw the Ultramarine movie.... Wasn't impressed.

I think the only decent 40k movies are the flash gitz ones , games wise liked them even firewarrior even the old playstation fantasy rts were not bad.

I got into the TT by first playing Dawn of War actually; I picked Imperial Guard afer playing Winter Assault.

I play the RPGs alot, mostly Dark Heresy, I found them quite well made as well, a nice touch to add colour to the non battlefield universe.

Space Marine was ok visually, but the gameplay was lackbuster...a straight up railroaded melee fest, not much my thing really...

As for movie-games,I did play Final Liberation, a game back when cutscenes were made by actors à la Command &Conquer..I also watched that Inquisitor short movie on yotube, it was intertaining..didn't saw that Ultramarine movie, it looked too...meh to me- plus I lean toward the Guard more than the robotic Marines

Commissar Holt is the biggest badass this side of Armageddon.

Fire Warrior really did have its flaws though.

 Sanguinis wrote:
Yeah I just changed the name of the thread to make it a little more narrow. I was more referring to the video games and movies. I do like the books and I agree there quality has gotten better, though no one will surpass Dan Abnett.

I completely forgot about the Fire a Warrior video game. I never played it and heard some terrible and ridiculous things about it.

Fire warrior was awesome when it came out. You have to remember the piss-poor quality of most FPSs during this time.

xruslanx wrote:

Fire warrior was awesome when it came out. You have to remember the piss-poor quality of most FPSs during this time.

Seriously?

Enemies didn't even flinch when hit and it took sixteen pulse rounds to put a guardsman down. Doom was better.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

xruslanx wrote:

Fire warrior was awesome when it came out. You have to remember the piss-poor quality of most FPSs during this time.

Seriously?

Enemies didn't even flinch when hit and it took sixteen pulse rounds to put a guardsman down. Doom was better.

Doom was a classic game. Fire Warrior involved actually being a tau fire warrior...that's pretty cool if you're a 40k nerd.

The only good thing in Firewarrior was the cutscenes.

The one where the Tau ship gets boarded by the Imperial Cruiser..badass.

I remember when I saw the first cutscene of Dawn of War...that was like 40k porn back in the day. I'll have to look up the Fire Warrior cutscenes.

Is it true throughout the course of the game you murder like hundreds of guardsmen, Space Marines, and even a Greater Demon of Tzeentch as one tiny minuscule Fire Warrior? They could have at least made you be a Crisis Battlesuit Commander, that would have been slightly more believable.

 Sanguinis wrote:
I remember when I saw the first cutscene of Dawn of War...that was like 40k porn back in the day. I'll have to look up the Fire Warrior cutscenes.

Is it true throughout the course of the game you murder like hundreds of guardsmen, Space Marines, and even a Greater Demon of Tzeentch as one tiny minuscule Fire Warrior? They could have at least made you be a Crisis Battlesuit Commander, that would have been slightly more believable.

given that call of duty let you win the battle of stalingrad single handely, no it's mot that far fetched. First person shooters have to allow you to do more than simply shooting at grunts the entire game.

Huge, huge fan of DoW series, despite the fact I have never played the tabletop (though this might change soon). The Ultramarines movie was sort of cringe worthy to watch, but the battle-scenes and voice acting made up for it.

I'm currently working my way through Space Marine and DoW (got DoW, DoW2 and all expansions for like $20 through Steam). I want to get Space Hulk at some point.

 Sanguinis wrote:
I remember when I saw the first cutscene of Dawn of War...that was like 40k porn back in the day. I'll have to look up the Fire Warrior cutscenes.

Is it true throughout the course of the game you murder like hundreds of guardsmen, Space Marines, and even a Greater Demon of Tzeentch as one tiny minuscule Fire Warrior? They could have at least made you be a Crisis Battlesuit Commander, that would have been slightly more believable.

You get promoted to Pathfinder Shas'ui (from being a Firewarrior Shas'la) at the end of the first third of the game. It doesn't say Pathfinder, it just says Shas'ui, but the pulse carbine you get given as your new weapon is a Pathfinder style one with the markerlight attachment (not that you can use it).

Of course, somehow you later get a burst cannon (which is awful) and then a rail rifle (first ever!)... and then there's your ever-present backup katana and the Tau NPCs who are ever so happy to be asian.

 Sanguinis wrote:
I remember when I saw the first cutscene of Dawn of War...that was like 40k porn back in the day. I'll have to look up the Fire Warrior cutscenes.

Is it true throughout the course of the game you murder like hundreds of guardsmen, Space Marines, and even a Greater Demon of Tzeentch as one tiny minuscule Fire Warrior? They could have at least made you be a Crisis Battlesuit Commander, that would have been slightly more believable.

Yup, but that is really the problem of all FPS: single guy doing everything and killing anything.

And here it is!



Also, you get to sue a boltgun, which really, is just the game's rocket launcher, (check cutscene #1 for some Tau getting shot up by botlguns) with a wooping 16 bolt capacity!

xruslanx wrote:

Fire warrior was awesome when it came out. You have to remember the piss-poor quality of most FPSs during this time.

Please tell me you're kidding. Saying Fire Warrior was good when it came out is debatable - I enjoyed it, but was well aware of its flaws. Saying that FPS games at the time were trash is a whole different ballgame though. Halo, the first Call of Duty, No One Lives Forever 2, Half Life, Medal of Honor: Frontline and Allied Assault, System Shock 2, Quake 3, Red Faction, Timesplitters, and the early Tom Clancy games all came out before it. Many of those were available on consoles, or were primarily on consoles. In the short time after, we got Doom 3, Painkiller, Halo 2, Half-Life 2, Unreal Tournament 2004, and tons more good shooter games. Not all of these games have aged well (Fire Warrior certainly among them) but there were plenty of good to great shooters available at the time.

I've only played DoW games and Space Marine and I'm pretty pissed off at the lack of Necron... hell, Xenos love in all of them.

Of all the interesting races in 40k to centre all their games around, they not only picked the most boring race, but the most boring faction of the most boring race (I'd settle for a game about the World Eaters).

Dark Crusade, Soulstorm and Retribution don't count, they didn't have real campaigns.

The 40k universe is huge and weird and can be kind of a hard sell. Space Marines are identifiable, iconic, and obviously "human" and make for easy protagonists. When you're making a video game and trying to reach the largest possible audience, they make the most sense as the protagonist faction. Maybe Fire Warrior didn't sell terribly well to non-40k nerds; I couldn't tell you. If it didn't shift a lot of units, I can see why GW would be apprehensive to release another xeno-focused game. They tried years before with Rites of War, a Panzer General-style game where you played as the Eldar. I liked it a bunch, but again, don't think it exactly set the world on fire.

And shame on you for saying Dark Crusade didn't have a real campaign. Everyone got the same attention, and it was cool. Retribution tried the same thing with pretty poor results, but there were some awesome characters in there regardless, like Sgt. Merrick and Kaptin Bludflagg.

 Brother SRM wrote:
And shame on you for saying Dark Crusade didn't have a real campaign. Everyone got the same attention, and it was cool. Retribution tried the same thing with pretty poor results, but there were some awesome characters in there regardless, like Sgt. Merrick and Kaptin Bludflagg.

I guess, technically, it had a campaign (a pretty fun one at that), I just generally tend to equate the term capmaign with story mode. So guess, I should reword my post to say they didn't have real stories. (I don't believe that "X race turns up, X race conquers each other race" counts)

Yeah, I'll agree with you that the campaign doesn't have much of a story, but the time and resources required to make a "proper" campaign like you'd find in DoW 1, Winter Assault, or DoW 2 and Chaos Rising would have been too much. You do get to play as Chaos, Orks, Eldar, and Imperial Guard in the Winter Assault campaign though.

Horus Heresy: the trilogy

Make it Prometheus/avatar graphic quality, next LOTR.

Nuff' said

James Cameron spent more money making Avatar than Games Workshop has made, in total, in 25 years of business.

I liked the games I've played (DoW & DoW II and Space Marine), but the movie was left wanting. If more resources are put into making future films, I may endorse them. As it stands, stick to games, GW.

 Mr. DK wrote:
Horus Heresy: the trilogy

Make it Prometheus/avatar graphic quality, next LOTR.

Nuff' said

The budget for Avatar was 237 million dollars. In 2012, GW made 131 million dollars in profit. It's just not that feasible. While we'd all love to see a big budget 40k movie done right, it ain't happening.