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Hi all, just a thought.

If the AS Codex sells well enough.
Most likely, GW will recreate all the miniatures.

That means GW can come up with other factions/races without the cost associated with printing a hardcopy and too much investment in making miniatures.

They could easily recreate Homo Sapiens Rotundus aka SQUATS
With company created conversion and suggestions like they did back in Citadal Journal and some Fandexes.

If the Digital Codex sells well than they can produce actual figures.
If it doesn't, people still get their fluff and Tourney legal army but are forced to buy kits to make conversions for a Legal army. Win/win

Thoughts?

-Dert

They can't even keep the armies they have updated. It would be a nightmare with even more races. It would be decades between updates.

 MWHistorian wrote:
They can't even keep the armies they have updated. It would be a nightmare with even more races. It would be decades between updates.

True, but if the warhammer fantasy battle rumors are true, this might not be such a big issue.

Imagine instead of 14 or so codexes, you had 2-4 books the size of the big rule book.

Say, Codex: Space Marines - covering Ultra, dark angels, blood angels, space wolves

Forces of the imperium - Guard, AS, maybe even GK

Then "Chaos" - Chaos Space Marines, Daemons, maybe even throw in some lost and damned / traitor guard

Then Xenos: Eldar, Deldar, Tau, Necrons, Orks, etc.



That's what WHFB is going to be doing in 9th ed - consolidating army books into larger books (which are cheaper to produce, and more profitable than smaller books, and you don't have to print run eleventy trazillion of each) of Forces of Order and Destruction (some people claim too forces of neutrality, but i think you'll see tomb kings lumped into order, and ogres lumped into destruction).


That's a direction they could take which would ultimately also let them introduce new armies, etc. They could dip a toe into new army production as well with intelligent use of the allies matrix (which is also coming to 9th).

I think it could be done after the reformatting of the book system.

Ah, I see. If that were the case, they'd have to put out more supplements to get the finer details of each army but as long as each army was viable and complete, I think that'd be awesome.

I see SOB coming back with new models considering how GW has pushed collections on their site.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Ah, I see. If that were the case, they'd have to put out more supplements to get the finer details of each army but as long as each army was viable and complete, I think that'd be awesome.

Yeah i'm kinda excited about it (for both games).


There's areas of each game that traditionally have not seen enough love (Various Ordos, AS, etc - also woodies and brets in WHFB), so i think it makes sense from a business model for GW's (keep everyt8ing updated once an edition), for the players (buy one book, yes probably more expensive, but no more waiting 10 years an update - for the collectors of us, buy a couple of 75 dollar books instead of 10 50 dollar books)... and it makes it soooooo much easier to update with each new edition.

Also i think they are seeing good success with the Digital ---> hardcover supplement release trend they have going on, so i think that would likely continue as well.


I think its a good step in the right direction, though there's many more to be taken on that path !

I will like it a lot.

Lost and the Damned, Genestealer Cults, Zoats, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Arbites, Hrud, Chaos Legions, Malal Demons, Stryxis, Exodites, Harlequins, Tau allies such as Demiurg, Nicassar, Hrenian, Morralian.... the list is long. This game could be really big.

But it will never happen. GW is unable to keep the armies they already have. Look at the Sisters of Battle: more than 10 years without models or a proper codex. The Inquisition? Just a foot note in the Codex: Even More Space Marines. Chaos? A joke compared with what it was.

IF they were able to do something cool, they will instead give you more Space Marines. They are already done (cost 0, effort 0) and they sell well. Why risk money doing something different?

I doubt we'll see them create a new race, because things like this still exist.

I kind of like the idea of releases packaged together, although I hate the idea of my beloved Orks being packaged with panzees and fish'ead. It would be a lovely idea because they would then be able to provide smaller updates on a more regular basis, helping to maintain balance between lists, while still generating excitement about new releases.

Even if they only do it for WHFB (let's be honest, it's not very popular and it seems like they've almost run it into the ground), then there's still a chance they could increase the release rate of 40k without making any changes other changes at all. Which would be great! (Again, Orks)

I was expecting them to put out a mercenaries codex. Just a collection of small races like kroot and other similar beings that could be taken as allies for any army.

Starting to think that is not going to happen.

Dogs of war / Mercenaries would be great.

Again, I doubt it is gonna happen. We are getting supplements for companies of chapters of Space Marines. They cannot keep up.

I'm having trouble understanding how you made that leap in logic. So because they finally released an actual purchasable codex that was only available in two OOP issues of WD, and they don't even have a physical copy available yet, and the army update comes with no real new content or rules other than errata updates and a few point changes, and no new models, this somehow means they will make new races and Squats?

Personally, I'm thinking that the Adepta Sororitas release is a way to clear out the metal stock in addition to providing a codex to people who've stuck with the army. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a proper release 12 months from now. GW's finally got themselves up to a respectable release schedule with 40k so I think if there was ever a time to introduce a new army, it would be soon. I personally don't think they will until after every other army has had their due, but I can see it happening sometime in the near-ish future. Personally, I just want supplements to have some small model releases (a kit and a character or two) to make them more varied from their base codex.

 DerT84 wrote:
They could easily recreate Homo Sapiens Rotundus aka SQUATS

Funny, I was under the wild impression that Squats were killed off to make room for Necrons and Tau.

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding how you made that leap in logic. So because they finally released an actual purchasable codex that was only available in two OOP issues of WD, and they don't even have a physical copy available yet, and the army update comes with no real new content or rules other than errata updates and a few point changes, and no new models, this somehow means they will make new races and Squats?

The way I am thinking is, say if the first few supplements did not work, Farsight, Iyandan and Black Legion. They would just scrap the idea of creating more supplements and not bother creating Hardcover books.

Obviously, those Digital Supplements worked and Hard Cover codexes are coming (and maybe miniatures).

Success of Adepta Sororitas Digital Codex would result in new Miniatures and a Hard cover codex.

Thus Squats / Kroot / Rak'Gol / etc. Digital Codex -> Sells well -> Miniatures + Hard cover Codex.

It is like a Kickstarter. If not enough revenue was generated, the idea would just be pushed aside.

It is a nice thought, and I do not think I am being too radical minded to think that may be what GW is possibly doing.


Yes, GW are having issues with their internal balance but it is us that has to cope with it. They are just concerned with selling models. (I am just saying what everyone else is saying)

 DerT84 wrote:

 Tyberos the Red Wake wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding how you made that leap in logic. So because they finally released an actual purchasable codex that was only available in two OOP issues of WD, and they don't even have a physical copy available yet, and the army update comes with no real new content or rules other than errata updates and a few point changes, and no new models, this somehow means they will make new races and Squats?

The way I am thinking is, say if the first few supplements did not work, Farsight, Iyandan and Black Legion. They would just scrap the idea of creating more supplements and not bother creating Hardcover books.

Obviously, those Digital Supplements worked and Hard Cover codexes are coming (and maybe miniatures).

Success of Adepta Sororitas Digital Codex would result in new Miniatures and a Hard cover codex.

Thus Squats / Kroot / Rak'Gol / etc. Digital Codex -> Sells well -> Miniatures + Hard cover Codex.

It is like a Kickstarter. If not enough revenue was generated, the idea would just be pushed aside.

It is a nice thought, and I do not think I am being too radical minded to think that may be what GW is possibly doing.


Yes, GW are having issues with their internal balance but it is us that has to cope with it. They are just concerned with selling models. (I am just saying what everyone else is saying)

I like that thought, but it's akin to actual market research, which seems to be verboten for GW.

I think that he return of the Squats may be nigh given their continued existence was confirmed in the big rule book. However i dont see them returning as a seperate army. More likely they would be a unit of abhumans afilliated with the Imperial Guard or the Inquisition.

I'd actually be happy with that as a minimum. Squats were my first army, and I've held on to them all these years. Hopefully, they'd be given similar options to what was in the Black Codex so that all my troopers, bikers, thunderers (with special and heavy weapons), thudd guns, tarantulas, and eggs would all have a use.

I always thought the current policy regarding supplements was digital first, then hardcover guaranteed. And even if a supplement isn't popular, they will still make more supplements for that army.

This makes the most sense because some people won't buy digital and will wait for hardcover, and some people won't buy supplement A for their army but WILL buy supplement B.

By deciding to stop development based on digital sales or supplement A sales, they lose a lot of potential sales for the hard copies and later supplements. But like you said, GW's decisions are sometimes baffling.

 Wilytank wrote:

Funny, I was under the wild impression that Squats were killed off to make room for Necrons and Tau.

No, the Squats didn't inspire anyone at GW enough to be continued were eaten by the tyranids were murdered by the space marines who wanted the Squats gravity weapons.




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Seriously though... A 40k "Dogs of War" would be pretty cool.

If the units were awesome, and the way people have embraced allies... then it might sell well too.

 Haight wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
They can't even keep the armies they have updated. It would be a nightmare with even more races. It would be decades between updates.

True, but if the warhammer fantasy battle rumors are true, this might not be such a big issue.

Imagine instead of 14 or so codexes, you had 2-4 books the size of the big rule book.

Say, Codex: Space Marines - covering Ultra, dark angels, blood angels, space wolves

Forces of the imperium - Guard, AS, maybe even GK

Then "Chaos" - Chaos Space Marines, Daemons, maybe even throw in some lost and damned / traitor guard

Then Xenos: Eldar, Deldar, Tau, Necrons, Orks, etc.



That's what WHFB is going to be doing in 9th ed - consolidating army books into larger books (which are cheaper to produce, and more profitable than smaller books, and you don't have to print run eleventy trazillion of each) of Forces of Order and Destruction (some people claim too forces of neutrality, but i think you'll see tomb kings lumped into order, and ogres lumped into destruction).


That's a direction they could take which would ultimately also let them introduce new armies, etc. They could dip a toe into new army production as well with intelligent use of the allies matrix (which is also coming to 9th).

I think it could be done after the reformatting of the book system.

I looked around and could not find anything about WHFB putting all the armies in one book. Do you have a link or something that says GW is going that route?