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Do the chaos artifacts in the black legion replace a weapon? I see two arguments that can be made here. The supplement either replaces the use of the table on page 91 of the codex and no artifact replaces a weapon, or it replaces the items on the table and each artifact replaces a weapon. The permission to use alternate artifacts is on pg 116 of the supplement btw.

I think it needs and FAQ, and I don't think it will ever get one. What do you think?

I think the Black legion Artefacts are supposed to be treated exactly the same as the CSM artefacts:

A model can replace one weapon with one of the following.
Only one of each Chaos Artefact may be taken per army.

They just forgot to add bullet point number 3 to the Black Legion, though, and I agree that needs a FAQ.

3: Does not replact one of the character's weapons.

In CSM, point 3 is added to the Dimensional Key and the Scroll of Magnus. Items decidedly NOT weapons. I think this can with some certainty be carried over to The Crusible of Lies and the Skull of Ker'ngar, as there is nothing weapon-like about these either.

The Spineshiver Blade, the Hand of Darkness and the Eye of Night are definately weapons, so no question there. These replace a weapon.

Last Memory of Yuranthos is a bit more tricky, as it is not a weapon in itself, but add a Nova power with a weapons profile. My gut feeling is that it is not a weapon.

GeneralCael wrote:


In CSM, point 3 is added to the Dimensional Key and the Scroll of Magnus. Items decidedly NOT weapons. I think this can with some certainty be carried over to The Crusible of Lies and the Skull of Ker'ngar, as there is nothing weapon-like about these either.

The Spineshiver Blade, the Hand of Darkness and the Eye of Night are definately weapons, so no question there. These replace a weapon.

Last Memory of Yuranthos is a bit more tricky, as it is not a weapon in itself, but add a Nova power with a weapons profile. My gut feeling is that it is not a weapon.

I would agree with you, but the Skull is exactly the same effect as the Shield Eternal in the space marine book, and that does replace a weapon. Though it is the only artifact/relic I can think of that is decidedly not a weapon but still replaces one.

The Shield Eternal is just that, though. A shield. As most shields go, you need a free arm to operate it properly. It has the added +3 Invulnerability save that comes with a regular Storm Shield, which the Skull of Ker'ngar does NOT have.

GeneralCael wrote:
The Shield Eternal is just that, though. A shield. As most shields go, you need a free arm to operate it properly. It has the added +3 Invulnerability save that comes with a regular Storm Shield, which the Skull of Ker'ngar does NOT have.

Never heard of a buckler so.

The combat shield still a thing in C:SM? I'd look at that too.

 liturgies of blood wrote:

GeneralCael wrote:
The Shield Eternal is just that, though. A shield. As most shields go, you need a free arm to operate it properly. It has the added +3 Invulnerability save that comes with a regular Storm Shield, which the Skull of Ker'ngar does NOT have.

Never heard of a buckler so.

Hence the word "most", as opposed to the word "all".

But to further murky up the waters, the Shield eternal is a storm shield, and no model that can take the shield eternal that can take a mundane storm shield has to exchange a weapon for that mundane storm shield.