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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/17 01:46:58
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Hey guys yet another battle with my Eldar. This time against my buddy Eds Tau. Still trying to get the hang of my Eldar since 6th happened, but I'll get it someday  . Hope you guys enjoy it.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij7UW3dbsK8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ij7UW3dbsK8
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/17 09:59:39
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Big difference in tactics from one game to the other. Riptides are just plain difficult to deal with if you don't have something to instakill them. Using Fire Dragons was not a bad idea, however; just unlucky one didn't actually reach the board edge while falling back.
Disembarking your troop choices, as pointed out, was a fairly costly mistake, especially when running 5 DA per squad.
Overall, it was an interesting report. You hit him very hard (Skyray and 2 x Pathfinder units going away) on turn 1. The only thing I can think of was to hold midfield and try to push him back with shooting. You then potentially could hold 3 objectives, got first blood and would have been in a decent position to get linebreaker. But, I'm not sure how well you would have lasted against what he still could throw at you.
Finally, I'm not overally convinced the Farseer sitting with the min sized Jetbike squad is best. He really added nothing to your army this game from what I could tell (Guide maybe?). However, with your set up, it appeared you prevented your opponent from getting Slay the Warlord, so there's a good positive.
Again, a cool report and great to see another interesting matchup.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/17 11:21:33
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Grey Knight Purgator firing around corners
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I have a quick question about the eldar. Could the avatar of Khaine with "fast shot" upgrade fires twice with an icarus lascannon? or 8 shots with a quadgun?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/17 12:19:39
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Flashy Flashgitz
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really like your reports man keep em coming.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/17 14:46:30
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Pellegrino wrote:I have a quick question about the eldar. Could the avatar of Khaine with "fast shot" upgrade fires twice with an icarus lascannon? or 8 shots with a quadgun?
I believe the consensus is that Fast Shot gives "one extra shot" of the weapon, so 2 and 5 respectively. Though if you have a 200+ MC sitting on an ADL there is something else very wrong...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/17 15:12:21
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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You can only use fast shot for the Avatar's own weapons, so no it doesn't get any additional shots when firing a gun emplacement.
Great batrep!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/17 15:35:11
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Haemonculi Flesh Apprentice
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Moridan wrote: Pellegrino wrote:I have a quick question about the eldar. Could the avatar of Khaine with "fast shot" upgrade fires twice with an icarus lascannon? or 8 shots with a quadgun?
I believe the consensus is that Fast Shot gives "one extra shot" of the weapon, so 2 and 5 respectively. Though if you have a 200+ MC sitting on an ADL there is something else very wrong...
Not really IMO. If he is baby sitting scoring guardians and some artillery, maybe sprinkle in some reapers then it is actually a solid tactic using his fearless bubble and his threat range to keep them away from your deployment zone while keeping everything on the table. Heck, riptides are 200+ and used like this and offer no defense from assault and hilariously have worse BS then the molten statue. I think the avatar is underused currently, but thats because everyone is going 100% mech eldar. My $0.02 anyway.
Great bat rep sheep. Not sure how much that seer costs but if he is a level 2 with guide and prescience and just twin linking those prisms he must not be that much. If you making him level 3 and kitting him out I'd say your wasting his points in your list. I think your list would benefit greatly from a night spinner with crystal targeting matrix. Its barrage and torrent weapon are just too good against cover hugging objective campers. I think in this game it would have been huge. I think overall your list lacks some tools like that.
Against riptides, just ignore them. I am really underwhelmed by their damage output in all the games I've played so far. Without a buff commander or steady marker light support they are pretty bad and those option make using them even more pricey. They don't score, in ANY mission either so just look at it as 400+ points for a couple battle canon shots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/18 09:05:27
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Red Corsair wrote:
Against riptides, just ignore them. I am really underwhelmed by their damage output in all the games I've played so far. Without a buff commander or steady marker light support they are pretty bad and those option make using them even more pricey. They don't score, in ANY mission either so just look at it as 400+ points for a couple battle canon shots.
A couple of points:
-I agree with Red Corsair, whenever I play the dual or tri-Riptide list I always ignore them and go for other targets. You basically wasted those two Wave Serpents fire output in the first turn by running them forward. I would have sat back at mid field (as mentioned) and unloaded on everything else with as much fire as possible first targeting everything but his Riptides THEN focusing on one Riptide at a time.
-Knowing his Kroot were going to outflank as well and not keeping that in mind was an error, should have moved your guys more into the middle to give them time to respond to the outflanking attackers and they would not have died in assault.
-I have no idea why you disembarked your Dire Avengers, think that was the biggest mistake of the tbh. I understand the goal was to wipe out his Broadsides, however you had plenty of time in the game left where (especially if you had not wasted those two Wave Serpents to start the game) you would have had a better chance to bring them down.
Hope those helps, I do enjoy your battle reports as I am considering building a Mech Eldar army as well so please keep them up! And ignore the flamers, I love how people complain how unsporstamnlike the list is (might be just because my local meta is very competitive and friendly games are always competitive, we find it more fun that way  ).
The only thing I would suggest is maybe against some players (like that Dark Angel Drop Pod player for example) who clearly do not have a list of your caliber to maybe change it up to make it more of a game as, even for me it was painful to watch.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/19 02:26:38
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Haemonculi Flesh Apprentice
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Yea that's why I always have 2 lists ready when I go to pick up a game, one if for fluffy games the other for competitive games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/21 19:44:35
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Dozer Blades wrote:You can only use fast shot for the Avatar's own weapons, so no it doesn't get any additional shots when firing a gun emplacement.
Great batrep!
"His", ownership or association. Fast Shot work with the Icarus and Quad Gun, note that it is two shots for the Icarus and five for the Quad Gun.
To the OP. If feel you advanced far too quickly, you should have stayed outside of the 36" range of the broadsides and markerlights targeting the choice bits of his army with the Serpent shields. Unsupported Riptides would not have caused you too much issues, thought the SkyRays are a bit nastier and needed your Prism's attention until they blew their load.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/21 20:08:38
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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"His", ownership or association. Fast Shot work with the Icarus and Quad Gun, note that it is two shots for the Icarus and five for the Quad Gun. "
No it is not - they are both gun emplacements. Either army can fire them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/21 20:10:23
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Regular Dakkanaut
purging philadelphia
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It looked like turn 2 of the first game the fire dragons assaulted from their destroyed transport. I dont believe they can:
Q: If a unit disembarks from a destroyed vehicle during the
enemy turn, can it Charge in the Assault phase of its own
turn? (p80)
A: No, unless the vehicle in question was an Assault
Vehicle.
from page 8 of gw's brb faq
Just something to look out for, I know in the first game you guys said you were practicing up for a tournament. Havent watched the second game yet but in general i kinda like the 'bum rush' idea vs the tau. I think you should have dumped your fire dragons all into the broadsides, since the buffmander wasn't the closest model to either you would have a really good chance of picking off the broadsides themselves and thus neutralizing a major damage dealer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/21 20:14:11
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Dozer Blades wrote:" His", ownership or association. Fast Shot work with the Icarus and Quad Gun, note that it is two shots for the Icarus and five for the Quad Gun. "
No it is not - they are both gun emplacements. Either army can fire them.
You are stuck on only part of the definition of "his", ownership. If he is firing it, it is "his" weapon as far as fast shot is concerned. Unless, you want to arbitrarily limit it.
For instance... Little Johny goes to school and writes a paper while sitting in his desk.... there is no ownership, only association as Little Johny doesn't own it, but he is using it, therefore in context it is his. You are arbitrarily limiting Fast Shot with no permission to do so. If he is firing the weapon, it is his weapon as far as Fast Shot is concerned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/21 20:19:16
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Do everyone a big favor and keep rules discussions in the appropriate forum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/10/21 20:23:27
Subject: Mech Eldar vs Tau - 1850 Objectives
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Dozer Blades wrote:Do everyone a big favor and keep rules discussions in the appropriate forum.
Says the guy who began discussing it before me. I just responded to you.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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