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From the looks of it though, it seemed you were aiming at 2000Pts, which is fine for allies.

1000-1500 you are right though, going without allies is better to save up points for your own units...

Once i do finish making-painting my Land raider i will try a few games with the favorite combo i've had in mind:

 BlackTalos wrote:
Ordo Malleus Inquisitor in Carapace Armour, with Hellrifle
Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband with 3 Plasma Cannon Servitors & 2 Jokearos
Land Raider Crusader (DT)
(Thx Goon)

Sister Repentia x 10

Turn 1: Inquisitor and friends disembark (if they even have to... - DT must have their unit, but what about "none"?), Repentia Embark, drive off 12" (Turbo not allowed i think)
Turn 2 : Repentia assault from transport (and just as useful as old codex) =)

Just double checked, and you may indeed deploy the transport "Alone", embark the repentia on turn 1, and move normally 12"+Flat out (if you don't really want to snap shoot)

The issue with Repententia is if you go second, they might not live long enough to get on the LR.

Yeah, just ally a different army and take a HS Land Raider. Like Space Wolves.

Then you can get a HS Land raider and a drop pod for something fun.

is an item selling out like this normal? doesn't it normally say out of stock?
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Battle-Sister-with-Storm-Bolter-1

Sisters models have been going out of stocks slowly, I'd imagine it is them selling off their remaining stocks of metal models.

But this is the first time a model that's gone is marked like that. At least I've never seen it before.

deviantduck wrote:is an item selling out like this normal? doesn't it normally say out of stock?
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Battle-Sister-with-Storm-Bolter-1

Shandara wrote:Sisters models have been going out of stocks slowly, I'd imagine it is them selling off their remaining stocks of metal models.

But this is the first time a model that's gone is marked like that. At least I've never seen it before.

Keep an eye on this...1 of many things will happen. Either it is removed from the page, signifying that they will no longer carry that model, and we will know that Sisters are truly dead. It could be refilled, signifying that GW cares enough to about sisters to make more out of an expensive material, and we shall know that we are loved. Or, the end times come, and GW takes the time to start anew and turns away from the pewter molds and casts them out of a plastic or resin alternative. And we shall know that we have come into the times of His final judgement as we are either damned or eternally blessed with Finecast or Plastic Sisters of Battle, respectively.

Yes... but would Sisters going to plastic be a good or bad thing?

I kind of enjoy my certain level of 40K snobbery when I bring them out.

I'm torn. I like painting the metal more, but having more poses and/or enough bits to actually represent our war gear options might be better. For example, I'd never take a power sword on an S3 model now that inquisitors can't guarantee that they will get Hammrrhand.

Normally they say out of stock, meaning the inventory is depleted temporarily. This is the first time i've seen it say sold out. Makes it seem like this model will be gone forever now. I guess we need to keep an eye to see if others start trickling off the site? The optimist in me says its because the new dex and line of models will be launched soon. But the pessimist in me keeps kicking myself in the balls when I think that.

Seeing as there's a different sister with storm bolter, it's also possible the model wasn't popular enough to justify having two versions and this means nothing in the grand scheme of things,

Australian site has 'SOLD OUT' on the Superior with Power Mace, Superior with Chainsword and Plasma Pistol, and Sister with flamer 1.

Sister with Storm Bolter 1 is not on Aussie site, although I bought a few better part of a year ago. Hmm.

Mavnas wrote:
Seeing as there's a different sister with storm bolter, it's also possible the model wasn't popular enough to justify having two versions and this means nothing in the grand scheme of things,

I feel that if they were to discontinue one of them it would be the one without the helmet. I don't see how the helmetless one with a face only The Emperor could love is more popular. Maybe since the one with the helmet is more popular they let it sell out to force any future storm bolter purchases to be of the helmetless one to sell it's stock a bit? Either way I'm sad that it's sold out cause I was just thinking of ordering some storm bolter sisters cause I had an idea for a command squad that I was gunna try out. Guess I'll have to proxie it for now or order quadruplets to make it happen. I've been on the plastic sisters re-release roller coaster for so long now that I no longer find much excitement out of things like this sadly. I'm hopeful it means something but I ain't gunna hold my breath.

Well, Sisters of Battle with Storm Bolter 1 is no longer in the roster, and the Command Squad is now Sold Out. Things are definitely heating up. That being said, I am very tempted to stop my SoB conversions to see if we might actually get some plastics here...

They are slowly dwindling from what it seems i've been noticing this since I started my SOB. sisters superior with chain sword and bolter are gone, flamer 2 is gone, seraphim 2 is gone, storm bolter 1 is gone, and meltagun 1 is gone. The last order I'd placed with them took forever because my order was of meltagun 1 SS w/bolter and chain sword and flamer 1. Took almost a month before it came. I gave them a call and said the reason why the order was taking so long was because the SS w/chain sword was "obsolete" as they put it. I guess it's time to go around with more hushed whispers for the2nd coming of sisters?

For the record I prefer the helmetless sisters with re-breathers

Maybe the mould wore out on the strombolter sister? I believe that's why we lost Arch Confessor Kriov and maybe the old 2ed Cannoness with combi flamer a long time ago.

Mavnas wrote:
The issue with Repententia is if you go second, they might not live long enough to get on the LR.

True, but huddled up behind it might not be too bad. A lot of thing go awry if you go second, so i'd make sure they're somewhere safe...
I like the Drop Pod+LR of SW idea, but begrudge Wolf Lord+Grey Hunters tax... 1 25-point Inquisitor is so much more attractive.

As for the Sold Out on the site, i guess patience is the only thing we CAN have...

I also much prefer Sisters without helmets, even the Plastic one in the Immolator/Exorcist Kit.

Seeing the new plastic DE Wytches this month, i am having unnecessary Hope for once (again) lol
Maybe they got over "Robes" by now...?

That or we're using Space Marine Codexes and become very sad....

[ED]:New Succubus, sorry

I am looking forward to more Space Marine Codexes with drop pods as a FA choice. I don't think the wolves do enough to fill gaps in my army.

 BlackTalos wrote:
True, but huddled up behind it might not be too bad. A lot of thing go awry if you go second, so i'd make sure they're somewhere safe...
I like the Drop Pod+LR of SW idea, but begrudge Wolf Lord+Grey Hunters tax... 1 25-point Inquisitor is so much more attractive.

As for the Sold Out on the site, i guess patience is the only thing we CAN have...

I also much prefer Sisters without helmets, even the Plastic one in the Immolator/Exorcist Kit.

Seeing the new plastic DE Wytches this month, i am having unnecessary Hope for once (again) lol
Maybe they got over "Robes" by now...?

That or we're using Space Marine Codexes and become very sad....

[ED]:New Succubus, sorry

I can't recall if Inquisition get Heavy Support land laiders. That being said, I'm a fluff nut and would argue in favor of Black Templar since you can get far more land raiders our of them. Then again, the Inquisition has the cheapest tax...YMMV.

Codex: Inquisition only has Dedicated Transport Land Raiders.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
I can't recall if Inquisition get Heavy Support land laiders. That being said, I'm a fluff nut and would argue in favor of Black Templar since you can get far more land raiders our of them. Then again, the Inquisition has the cheapest tax...YMMV.

Only Space Wolves get Heavy Support LRs, which was why pretre suggested as much...

So either you go with Space wolves so that your girls are embarked turn 1, with (horrendous IMHO) tax, or you go with the other Dedicated Transport LRs (Black Templars, Inquisition, Any Space Marines really) in which case i'd favour Inquisition...

Oh wait.

Just checked the Grey Knights Codex and may have found our answer... Return of the Witch/Daemon Hunters force!! lol
(Still a pretty bad HQ+Troops tax though, but 'im okay with a few GKs)

SW get your FA Drop Pods as well.

 BlackTalos wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
I can't recall if Inquisition get Heavy Support land laiders. That being said, I'm a fluff nut and would argue in favor of Black Templar since you can get far more land raiders our of them. Then again, the Inquisition has the cheapest tax...YMMV.

Only Space Wolves get Heavy Support LRs, which was why pretre suggested as much...

So either you go with Space wolves so that your girls are embarked turn 1, with (horrendous IMHO) tax, or you go with the other Dedicated Transport LRs (Black Templars, Inquisition, Any Space Marines really) in which case i'd favour Inquisition...

Oh wait.

Just checked the Grey Knights Codex and may have found our answer... Return of the Witch/Daemon Hunters force!! lol
(Still a pretty bad HQ+Troops tax though, but 'im okay with a few GKs)

Land Raiders are heavy support in Codex Space Marines too. You might be thinking of Black Templar Crusader squads whuch can take them as Dedicated Transports in addition. Still, that would mean having to take Space Marine allies and they smell funny...

I would go with Inquisition Land Raiders too, but I would be putting Death Cult Assassins (from codex inquisition) in them instead. Now you will shred 3+ troop and elites, and you can add a Canoness with a couple of Priests from Codex Adepta Sororitas to the unit, all toting Eviscerators, for some AP2 action.

I am going for a well-balanced take-all-comers list with as much anti-infantry and anti-tank as possible, while also putting Fearless blobs and high AV tanks into play. I have played this list in some friendly games with great results but don't know how it will hold up in tournament play.

PRIMARY:

Pask (Warlord) Punisher, Lascannon, Multimelta sponsons, Camo
-Leman Russ Executioner, Plasma sponsons (squadron)
Vendetta
Leman Russ Eradicator
Wyvern (HF)
Vets, Lascannon
PCS, 2 Infantry Squads, 2 Flamers, 45 Conscripts

DETACHMENT:

Saint Celestine
2 Priests, Book of Saint Lucius
5 Sisters, Immolator with TL Multimelta
5 Sisters, Immolator with TL Multimelta
5 Dominions, 4 meltaguns, Immolator with TL Multimelta, Dozer Blade
2 Exorcists

2000pts ..Saint Celestine and a Priest join the 45 Conscripts, giving them Fearless, Hit and Run, Adamantium Will and Hatred. These bubble wrap Pask and his fellow Executioner. The other Priest joins the 20 Guard blob giving them Fearless. The Book of Saint Lucius gives all friendly units within 12" auto regroup, so the Vets and PCS will stay within 12" of the blob Priest. The Eradicator will stay near Pask, forming an AV14 wall, with the Exorcists and Sisters transports behind them. The Dominions will either Scout first turn or outflank. One squad of Sisters will hitch a ride on the Vendetta for last turn objective claiming. PCS will trudge along behind the conscripts to give them orders. Wyvern will fire from cover but not be near any Objectives. Strategy is obviously dictated by my opponent but this list goes for midfield control, with Pask protected by the Conscripts, who can "pin" the opponent in place then Hit-and-Run allowing Pask to unleash his punishment. Also Celestine can go off on her own if needed, and with 3d6" Hit-and-Run could actually do last turn objective
claiming with the Conscripts.
I played a list similar to this several weeks ago but found it lacking in some areas, and got some feedback from here that I considered for this list.
Would appreciate ideas or thoughts to make this list as competitive as possible.

So, I had thought adding priests to an MSU list was a waste, but I'm starting to come around to the idea of 1-2 priests in the units that will be near the front or like the melta doms.

Today, I played a 750pt game vs. chaos. I rushed my doms forward in a poor attempt to pop a rhino that got my squad attacked by 10 CSM. They killed 2 doms with their pistols then charged. They lost 1 to overwatch from the 3 surviving meltas. The priest reminded everyone that the Emperor Protects and the 24 attacks from the enemy marines turned into a single casualty. (This is actually not very bad luck on the chaos part, 3+ to hit, 3+ to wound, rerollable 3+ to not die = 1.2 kills on average.) The challenge was another matter. The priest made both his invuln saves then turned around and cut the sergeant in half and took a second CSM with him (Yeah... 3 attacks at rerollable 4+ to hit 5+ to wound turning into 2 dead marines is a clear sign that the Emperor was on my side.) Technically at this point the CSM should have broken, but we forgot the penalty for how much they lost the assault by. In the end, they fought for another 3 assault rounds before Celestine showed up and scattered the chaos rabble like leaves on the wind (if the wind were made of fire). She actually killed 6 of the 7 on the charge (clearly the Emperor was with us today).

The priest never failed his War Hymns, but Celestine was within 12" for half of the checks, including the all important initial one which would have failed without her Beacon of Faith.

She would have intervened sooner had I realized she wasn't needed elsewhere (there was a sorceror with invis in a 10 man cultist squad). He'd failed his invis (only 3 dice thrown into it), and I desperately needed to cook that squad before he put more dice into his invis. As it turned out, 22 shredding handflamer wounds were more than enough to take off the whole unit before Celestine or any bolt pistols had a chance to fire.

The Helldrake never came on because the Chaos player conceeded after my turn 3. (Technically he could have rolled his turn 3 reserve roll to see if he was tabled or not, but I was up 11-1 at that point and sitting on 5 of the 6 objectives.)

I don't believe in using reserves in small points games, as having a significant chunk of your forces not on the table or having your flyer not show up on Turn 2 can be game breaking. So far in my 750pt escalation league, my decision to ignore anti-air has been vindicated. The 2 HP AV11 space marine flyer went down in a hail of heavy bolter fire, the Helldrake never arrived, and only the SW flyer is left to go in this round. It might be the scariest of the three, but maybe I can cripple the wolves before their reserves arrive?

How'd you get rerolls to wound and saves from one priest?

 pretre wrote:
How'd you get rerolls to wound and saves from one priest?

Looks like he was only re-rolling saves (ie The Emperor Protects)? Priests also hand out Hatred though, so re-rolls To Hit in the first round of combat.

Priests do turn even small Sister squads into pretty decent tarpits against anything that doesn't have AP3 or better. I would be iffy on them if there wasn't some way to either straight up increase their leadership (Warlord Bubble from the Command Table perhaps) or help pass the Act of Faith test (Celestine/Warlord Trait or the Litanies) though.

Yeah, I wasn't getting rerolls to wounds. The Chaos player just rolled poorly against the 2 wounds I very luckily put out. On subsequent turns I was unable to remove any of the other CSMs until Celestine just straight up murdered them (I rolled 11 out of 12 dice 3+ 6 to hit and 6 to wound and master crafted took care of the miss on the to hit.) To be fair though, she just needed to make them fail the morale test than sweep them with her I7 so the exact number killed was somewhat unimportant.

The biggest thing really, is realizing that my melta doms are very scary to most enemies, well in excess of their actual achievements on the battlefield and will be focused. Forcing the enemy to remove every last model takes pressure off my other units turn 1. Though I'm deeply tempted to change the immolator to a rhino as its main purpose is to deliver the sisters 12" on the scout move and both pop equally easily. The rhino would let me add a couple extra bodies to the squad if I want to make them annoying to remove going forward. Normally, I don't like extra bodies in a squad, but I have so reliably managed to get my enemies to shoot this one squad first, that it might be worthwhile to get additional mileage out of the priest.

Alternatively, I could give him the book and take the guesswork out of activating War Hymns, because Celestine won't always be nearby.

My bad, I misread.

I find Rhinos preferably to Immos for my Doms because of the fire points. Best not to jump out until you really need all 4 Melta shots and the act of faith.

D

 evildrcheese wrote:
I find Rhinos preferably to Immos for my Doms because of the fire points. Best not to jump out until you really need all 4 Melta shots and the act of faith.

D

I used rhinos back when you needed 10 girls to get 4 weapons. Then, I took 4 flamers and used this as my anti-infantry vehicle.

I prefer the immolator simply because its TL MM can reach out a bit further. I never expect my dominions to last long, so I prefer to have them get in someone's face, kill as much as possible, and then die an honorable and noble death for the Emperor. Also, it lets me split targets (Immolator at one, girls at another).