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See ? Your day keep getting better. Marines don't get a free fire point ! Just free rhinos... ;-)

So, possible for my no BB 1500 point maelstrom:

Castellan's

Celestine - 200
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140

1500


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 RabbitMaster wrote:
See ? Your day keep getting better. Marines don't get a free fire point ! Just free rhinos... ;-)

I lol'd.

Don't you need 2 HQ for a Castellan ? I'm pretty sure you do.
Otherwise looks solid for 1500.

Have any of you used Veridyan ? How well/bad did she do in your games ?

 RabbitMaster wrote:
Don't you need 2 HQ for a Castellan ? I'm pretty sure you do.
Otherwise looks solid for 1500.

lol I forgot to put Celestine at the top. But yes, you need 2.


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 godardc wrote:
Have any of you used Veridyan ? How well/bad did she do in your games ?

Veridyan is suffering from 'not celestine' syndrome right now.

 pretre wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:
Competitive Sisters that will fight with BC in maelstorm?

Try this Castellan Detachment:
Celestine
Coteaz
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 BSS, melta, HF, Rhino
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
5 Dominions, 4 melta, condemnor bolt gun, repressor
Wyvern
Wyvern
Storm Talon
Storm Talon

1710 so far and you can easily swap out the support vehicles as needed. You're mobile, have a ton of fire power and a good amount of ObSec. Bring it battle company.

I like the idea of this. I wish I had Wyverns or Storm Talons.

Sounds like a conversion opportunity

I might actually have a spare talon kit after Christmas. Let me poke around.

 godardc wrote:
Have any of you used Veridyan ? How well/bad did she do in your games ?

She's quite meh. Her value scales from the number of units she buffs. In all honesty though, a use for precision shots seldom comes up when you consider the amount of points you have to invest in setting it up. Don't get me wrong, it's good for a head shot on a character or special weapon but even then it's just kinda meh.

As far as this casttelan's stuff goes... Y U NO celestine + bikes + priest = conga line into combat with majority t5, rerollable saves and iron hands chapter tictacs for durex extra safe levels of durability?

 pretre wrote:
So, possible for my no BB 1500 point maelstrom:

Castellan's

5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140

1500

Put double flamers in your BSS and drop one immo to a rhino and use those 60 points and your henchman to bring Celestine and the twins. If you are willing to drop the repressors and your last immo to rhinos you could squeeze in some Seraphim to ride bodyguard with her.

 dracpanzer wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So, possible for my no BB 1500 point maelstrom:

Castellan's

5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
5 BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Dominions with 4 Melta in Repressor - 180
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140

1500

Put double flamers in your BSS and drop one immo to a rhino and use those 60 points and your henchman to bring Celestine and the twins. If you are willing to drop the repressors and your last immo to rhinos you could squeeze in some Seraphim to ride bodyguard with her.

She's already there. I corrected it afterwards.


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Also, henchies are kind of necessary to keep Coteaz from getting chumped out since he can only join his faction at this event.

Gotcha, will be interesting to see how much impact Celestine has.

With the events limitation on Coteaz, would you be better off running C:IA or C:AS with Celestine? No troop regen, but I would expect that 5+ to give me back one squad, less than the required tax to get the freebie unit.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Gotcha, will be interesting to see how much impact Celestine has.

With the events limitation on Coteaz, would you be better off running C:IA or C:AS with Celestine? No troop regen, but I would expect that 5+ to give me back one squad, less than the required tax to get the freebie unit.

Gets me more obsec too and I'm thinking of swapping the BSS Rhino squads for Tacs in DP to reach out a bit.

Like this:


With 8 Troops, you have to expect 8/3 returns on average. So 2 extra squads, roughly. Average of 120 points extra. Not killer, but still nice.


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In a CAD, it'd probably be:

Celestine - 200
BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Immo - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Rhino - 120
Dom with 4 Melta in Immo - 165
Dom with 4 Melta in Repre - 180
Dom with 4 Melta in Repre - 180
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125
Exorcist - 125

Im not seeing your 8 troop choices. Does it allow you to bring back units from other slots?

 dracpanzer wrote:
Im not seeing your 8 troop choices. Does it allow you to bring back units from other slots?

4 Troops and 4 Transports.

As an exercise in silliness with Castellans, I present 'F you, I'm scoring and rising from the dead':

Celestine - 200
Tac Squad with Melta in Pod - 115
Tac Squad with Melta in Pod - 115
Tac Squad with Melta in Pod - 115
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140
Scouts in Storm - 95
Scouts with Rifles - 60

9 Regenning Squads and 8 Regenning Transports. Tons of obsec. No chance of actually killing anything.

Do your transports get to regen without their girls buying it?

Seems awful silly.

Think of like the squads calling for a replacement transport for their destroyed one. If that just so happens to turn up when the squad is dead, well... no-one said the Imperium was efficient!

 GoonBandito wrote:
Think of like the squads calling for a replacement transport for their destroyed one. If that just so happens to turn up when the squad is dead, well... no-one said the Imperium was efficient!

Exactly.

 dracpanzer wrote:
Do your transports get to regen without their girls buying it?

Seems awful silly.

Yes, Dedi transports are considered separate units to the unit buying them. The Dedi transport inherits the faction and unit FOC slot category of it's buying unit.

In short, if you have field a casttelans and have 4 troops with 4 dedi transports, the transports gain the troop type and will respawn on a 5+.

The squads and transports have have separate rolls, so you'd end up bringing squads back with out transports and bringing empty transports back.

I have to admit though, the idea of respawning drop pods is potentially very obnoxious. It's just a shame they wont be obsec.

Yeah, but look at the bright side, the respawned transports could show up at the same time as a different squad whose transport isn't coming back. Only question is if you can embark on the yurn you arrive.

Whatever, 8 would probably net me two transports and no units within but thats my luck. I dont think I would bother if you have to bring Coteaz to get them ObjSec and henchman to make him legal for Pretre's 1500 pt event.

If you are willing to give up on Coteaz for ObjSec I might think better of it.

The event is heavily maelstrom. That's why I'm focusing on obsec.

 pretre wrote:


As an exercise in silliness with Castellans, I present 'F you, I'm scoring and rising from the dead':

Celestine - 200
Tac Squad with Melta in Pod - 115
Tac Squad with Melta in Pod - 115
Tac Squad with Melta in Pod - 115
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
BSS with Melta/HF in Immolator - 140
Coteaz - 100
Inquisitorial Henchman Band with 2 Acolytes with Plasma, 3 Acolytes, 2 Servitors with Plasma in Chimera with Psybolt - 140
Scouts in Storm - 95
Scouts with Rifles - 60

9 Regenning Squads and 8 Regenning Transports. Tons of obsec. No chance of actually killing anything.

I think that it is fun.
I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around Celestine who is doing Mepheston's schtick better than Mepheston, I mean. She really doesn't need to join any units, does she?

Not really.

Also, I'm back to the drawing board for a couple of my lists. I forgot that since Celestine is ally of convenience with everyone except SOB, her Blessings don't work.

I would add a priest to make warlord in any of these detachments, master of ambush on the 3 domi squads plus whatever unit you put the priest with would be worth ease of slay the warlord and 25pts.


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 pretre wrote:
Not really.

Also, I'm back to the drawing board for a couple of my lists. I forgot that since Celestine is ally of convenience with everyone except SOB, her Blessings don't work.

For your event? because she's BB with armies of the imperium normally. She can even go into their CADs as the compulsory.

Yeah, the event has no BB.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, the event has no BB.

Sounds like vile heresy spread by servants of the ruinous powers to divide the Imperium by me.

Aaugh. This isn't precisely on top, but I can't stand events that try to "Fix" 40k by putting arbitrary limitations on things that just end up breaking the rules as much as they fix them.

Some changes where rules are unclear are cool, but anything that tries to enforce purity of factions really just makes the strong/fleshed out codexes stronger at the expense of the smaller imperial factions.

Mavnas wrote:
Some changes where rules are unclear are cool, but anything that tries to enforce purity of factions really just makes the strong/fleshed out codexes stronger at the expense of the smaller imperial factions.

Not just faction changes. I'm ok with "No unbound lists", but rules limiting detachmentz just kuck certain armies in the teeth. You want to play Mechanicum? Congratulations, you're out of extra detachments before the game even begins. You want to use the Imperial Agents codex? Hah! Fat Chance.

Weakening bonus detachments just makes certain armies with internally OP abilities - Eldar and Tau - stronger. Weakening allies does the same thing. If you nerf Psykers, it makes psychic reliant armies weaker, while armies who don't need it - Tau - remain strong.

I suppose my biggest problem with most of the "balancing" rules is that they screw over Imperial players trying to make use of weaker forces, but just make Eldar and Tau stronger.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around Celestine who is doing Mepheston's schtick better than Mepheston, I mean. She really doesn't need to join any units, does she?

Well he is just a Vampire Marine - she is a Living Saint.

1850 List - Castellans

Celestine
Coteaz
Canoness Verydian (warlord)
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor - 3 servo skulls, liber heresius

Command Squad - Multi Melta x 4, Hospitalier

Battle sisters x 5 - Melta, Heavy Flamer and Immo
Battle sisters x 5 - Melta, Heavy Flamer and Immo
Battle sisters x 5 - Melta, Heavy Flamer and Rhino
Battle sisters x 5 - Melta, Heavy Flamer and Rhino

Dominions x 5 - Melta x 4, Repressor
Dominions x 5 - Melta x 4, Repressor

Exorcist
Exorcist

Grey knight C:IA formation

Interceptor x 5 - Daemonhammer (justicar), Incinerator


My goal is to dominate the mid field, where most objectives usually are.

Inquisitor, Coteaz and Verydian join the command squad. I get two rolls on the strategic table with them and can re-roll them. Hopefully being able to infiltrate a few units. If somehow I cannot infiltrate them I move them with a scout move (from the liber) and hopefully into cover.

Celestine and the interceptors run together.

I expect either of the above squad to draw a lot of firepower. With the ablative wounds from the inquisitor, feel no pain and cover it should be fairly resilient. As for Celestine and the interceptors, they will be a flexible moble threat.

The exorcists are there as bait. They usually draw in melta drop pods so if I position them far enough from each other, they could buy my midfield unit some respite.

The above actually comes to 1825 points so I could technically take another stand alone inquisitor for more wounds and another warlord trait. I am loving myself these 25 points 3 wounds warlord traits.