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On the table. Screen for big C and then run off and snag objectives / harass. The PP squad will probably sky strike.

You could also hold them for objective grabbing.

Pistols can be shot in hand to hand. Tiring up stuff may be worthwhile, but they'll still die to dedicated assault units. Melta pistols and flame pistols are interesting.

 pretre wrote:
On the table. Screen for big C and then run off and snag objectives / harass. The PP squad will probably sky strike.

You could also hold them for objective grabbing.

When you say PP do you mean Plasma pistols?
Because only the Superior can take a Plasma Pistol.
The other can only take Bolt, Metla or Flamer pistols.

I am aware.

The melta pistols might be worth taking for character hunting.

 Melissia wrote:
The melta pistols might be worth taking for character hunting.

They aren't bad, but the 6" thing and the cost is what put me off them.

So anyone else notice that the entire section for sisters on the gw website is gone? Or did they move it in with something g else

Ecclesiarchy and Sororitas units are now both under Adeptus Ministorum.

Anyone think we need an new 8th Edition thread to clear out a few years of now irrelevant post on SOB Tactics?

Yea, we did that when the last edition rolled out. Probably worth it when the new edition drops


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So can immolators fire overwatch now? Seems pretty strong

I think a new thread would be a good idea.

war wrote:
Yea, we did that when the last edition rolled out. Probably worth it when the new edition drops


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So can immolators fire overwatch now? Seems pretty strong

Everything can including Exorcists

If we are taking suggestions for a new thread may I suggest the title "New New Sisters of Battle Codex Tactica"

"Still No Plastic Surgery : Sister of Battle Tactica for 8th Ed"

war wrote:
Pistols can be shot in hand to hand.

Yeah that thing is very useless in reality. Especially on units with fly, who automatically have hit and run. It might be more useful on a big BSS squad, defensively, if enough of them are still alive after the first round of combat…

I honestly can't see a use for Seraphim other than objective grabbers.

Rerollable 2++ death star with Celestine .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

war wrote:
Pistols can be shot in hand to hand.

Yeah that thing is very useless in reality. Especially on units with fly, who automatically have hit and run. It might be more useful on a big BSS squad, defensively, if enough of them are still alive after the first round of combat…

Some of them are still useful. You don't always want to charge out of combat every time.


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 dan2026 wrote:
I honestly can't see a use for Seraphim other than objective grabbers.

They are GREAT for zooming around and shooting the crap out of stuff. Also, keep in mind you can fall back and still shoot, jump over enemy units, etc.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Rerollable 2++ death star with Celestine .

My TO shut that down when I asked him, which was the right thing to do.

One of the employees at our FLGS threatened to beat anyone who brought that against her. My only argument (half-joking, of course) was that I already have two Celestine models because she had two different sets of rules in 7th!

A neat unit I'm thinking of adding is 40-50 Conscripts and a Commissar (150 - 180) for bubble wrap. Redemptionists, of course.


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Spearhead Detachment
St C and the G - 250
5 Rets with 4 HB and SB - 89
5 Rets with 4 HB and SB - 89
5 Rets with 4 HB and SB - 89
Exorcist - 160
Exorcist - 160
Exorcist - 160
5 Seras with 2 HF and Chainsword - 79
5 Seras with 2 HF and Chainsword - 79


Vanguard Detachment

Canoness - 45
Imagifer - 40
Imagifer - 40
Imagifer - 40
Imagifer - 40
Priest - 35
Commissar - 30
40 Conscripts - 120
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Immo with IF and SB - 225
5 Doms with 4 Melta in Immo with IF and SB - 225

2k

Use the Conscripts (redemptionists) as bubble wrap around the heavies.

 dan2026 wrote:
I honestly can't see a use for Seraphim other than objective grabbers.

I can. A unit locked in combat doesn't get to shoot after it falls back next turn. Jump across the board using AoF, shoot, then multicharge across the entire enemy gunline.

You can leave combat at will without penalty, because of fly, so you can always shoot the enemy but their front rank won't be able to shoot you. You can also AoF to make them shoot to finish off the unit they're in battle with, allowing them to attack the second enemy rank.

Also, what are the rules for debarking from transports destroyed in melee?

Same as normal debarkation. Just get out and take your lumps.

 pretre wrote:
Same as normal debarkation. Just get out and take your lumps.

Only if you can't be within 3" from the hull and outside 1" of the enemy you die.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

war wrote:
Pistols can be shot in hand to hand.

Yeah that thing is very useless in reality. Especially on units with fly, who automatically have hit and run. It might be more useful on a big BSS squad, defensively, if enough of them are still alive after the first round of combat…

It's useful on large groups of seraphim who get charged, so long as they have maxed out pistols and at least 3 models survive.

 pretre wrote:
Same as normal debarkation. Just get out and take your lumps.

Here's the thing: right now:
P81: "any surviving passengers are not locked in combat with the unit assaulting their vehicle"
P82: "If, even by performing an emergency disembarkation, some models are unable to disembark, then any models that cannot disembark are removed as casualties."

Currently, I know an Ork player whose entire strategy is to make a ring of Orks around an enemy transport. Since it is illegal to place a model within 1" of an enemy model if you're not in combat, the disembarkation range from a wrecked vehicle is reduced to 3", most of or the entire unit within the transport is destroyed with their transport.

Also, the problem with jumping out is you can't re-assault same turn. Not a huge problem, but something to think about.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Same as normal debarkation. Just get out and take your lumps.

Here's the thing: right now:
P81: "any surviving passengers are not locked in combat with the unit assaulting their vehicle"
P82: "If, even by performing an emergency disembarkation, some models are unable to disembark, then any models that cannot disembark are removed as casualties."

Currently, I know an Ork player whose entire strategy is to make a ring of Orks around an enemy transport. Since it is illegal to place a model within 1" of an enemy model if you're not in combat, the disembarkation range from a wrecked vehicle is reduced to 3", the most of or the entire unit within the transport is destroyed with their transport.

Yeah, fair enough. Don't get assaulted while in your vehicle.

 pretre wrote:
Also, the problem with jumping out is you can't re-assault same turn. Not a huge problem, but something to think about.


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Same as normal debarkation. Just get out and take your lumps.

Here's the thing: right now:
P81: "any surviving passengers are not locked in combat with the unit assaulting their vehicle"
P82: "If, even by performing an emergency disembarkation, some models are unable to disembark, then any models that cannot disembark are removed as casualties."

Currently, I know an Ork player whose entire strategy is to make a ring of Orks around an enemy transport. Since it is illegal to place a model within 1" of an enemy model if you're not in combat, the disembarkation range from a wrecked vehicle is reduced to 3", the most of or the entire unit within the transport is destroyed with their transport.

Yeah, fair enough. Don't get assaulted while in your vehicle.

If this condition holds, we could do this with seraphim too.

Surround a transport so it can't retreat, surround it, then bring in something that can deal the final blow in melee combat, like Repentia, or a Penitent Engine. Because Seraphim can cross the board in one turn, we could potentially tie down a number of transport tanks equal to the number of Seraphim squads brought on turn one, then destroy them and their transported unit. You can't tank shock your way out of assault anymore.

I'm leaning toward a Vindicare being an auto-include. Killing characters is one of the most important things this edition.

 deviantduck wrote:
I'm leaning toward a Vindicare being an auto-include. Killing characters is one of the most important things this edition.

Vindicare was the least impressive of the lot for me. I like the Callidus and Eversor.

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
I honestly can't see a use for Seraphim other than objective grabbers.

I can. A unit locked in combat doesn't get to shoot after it falls back next turn. Jump across the board using AoF, shoot, then multicharge across the entire enemy gunline.

You can leave combat at will without penalty, because of fly, so you can always shoot the enemy but their front rank won't be able to shoot you. You can also AoF to make them shoot to finish off the unit they're in battle with, allowing them to attack the second enemy rank.

Also, what are the rules for debarking from transports destroyed in melee?

Hmm thats a good idea.
Tying up the enemies army and stopping them shooting is a solid plan.

I also like the Vindicare. I have 2 that I plan on putting towards Character blasting duties.
It helps that he is now a lot cheaper in points. 90 vs 150 is quite a saving!

 pretre wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
I'm leaning toward a Vindicare being an auto-include. Killing characters is one of the most important things this edition.

Vindicare was the least impressive of the lot for me. I like the Callidus and Eversor.

They all look pretty good, but sniping the characters is crucial. Most units fall apart fast without character support. My group has about 20 games under it's belt and wiping away characters asap seems to be generally agreed upon.