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I was playing a game at my FLGS against another player he claimed that prescience allowed him to re-roll scatter dice(2d6 and scatter die) from a blast template. I argued that it states it allows you to re-roll failed to hit rolls, he claimed that a blast that scattered badly and hit nothing was a failed to hit roll. who was right?


Also can objectives be placed on levels other than the first of a ruins? If so can you score them from the floor above/below?

"Blast Weapons and Re-rolls" - page 33

Ok, thanks that was what I was wondering about.

As to your second question, yes. Objectives are prohibited from being placed on the upper levels of buildings (because they might explode and become impassable, making the objective un-scorable), but a ruin isn't a building.

See how coherency is measured between models in ruins. That's the way to measure to objectives.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
As to your second question, yes. Objectives are prohibited from being placed on the upper levels of buildings (because they might explode and become impassable, making the objective un-scorable), but a ruin isn't a building.

See how coherency is measured between models in ruins. That's the way to measure to objectives.

I dont have my book in front of me but we ran into this same situation (can you place objectives in upper levels in ruins) and did the research and found out that you in fact could place them in upper levels. Maybe someone with a book can confirm?

What if the blast scattered but still hit something that was not the original target, can it be re-rolled?

Polecat wrote:
What if the blast scattered but still hit something that was not the original target, can it be re-rolled?

It's not the same as rolls to hit, you don't re-roll the misses. It allows for a re-roll.
You can choose to re-roll even if you roll a HIT on the scatter dice.

Moridan wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
As to your second question, yes. Objectives are prohibited from being placed on the upper levels of buildings (because they might explode and become impassable, making the objective un-scorable), but a ruin isn't a building.

See how coherency is measured between models in ruins. That's the way to measure to objectives.

I dont have my book in front of me but we ran into this same situation (can you place objectives in upper levels in ruins) and did the research and found out that you in fact could place them in upper levels. Maybe someone with a book can confirm?

Read the "Place Objective Markers" on BRB 121. It has some very specific restrictions on the permission to place the markers anywhere. None of those restrictions are on ruins, and one of them is on buildings.

 grendel083 wrote:

Polecat wrote:
What if the blast scattered but still hit something that was not the original target, can it be re-rolled?

It's not the same as rolls to hit, you don't re-roll the misses. It allows for a re-roll.
You can choose to re-roll even if you roll a HIT on the scatter dice.

Could you point out why it is so?

The rules on pg. 33 are confusing me. It says that "If a model has the ability to re-roll its rolls To Hit...". I usually only have the ability to re-roll failed rolls to hit. Is it the same thing, and how so, if the blast still hit something, anything?

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

Moridan wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:
As to your second question, yes. Objectives are prohibited from being placed on the upper levels of buildings (because they might explode and become impassable, making the objective un-scorable), but a ruin isn't a building.

See how coherency is measured between models in ruins. That's the way to measure to objectives.

I dont have my book in front of me but we ran into this same situation (can you place objectives in upper levels in ruins) and did the research and found out that you in fact could place them in upper levels. Maybe someone with a book can confirm?

Read the "Place Objective Markers" on BRB 121. It has some very specific restrictions on the permission to place the markers anywhere. None of those restrictions are on ruins, and one of them is on buildings.

Ok, thats what we found. I misread buildings and ruins. They CAN be put in upper floors of ruins, but not at the top of buildings. Check. Thanks!

your ability to re-roll a fail to hit is a re-roll to hit as per that rule on p33

therby satisfying the critera needed for the reroll of the dice.

 nutty_nutter wrote:
your ability to re-roll a fail to hit is a re-roll to hit as per that rule on p33

therby satisfying the critera needed for the reroll of the dice.

But if I dont fail to hit (something that is not the original target) how do I have the ability to re-roll to hit rolls?

Polecat wrote:
[But if I dont fail to hit (something that is not the original target) how do I have the ability to re-roll to hit rolls?

Because giving a re-roll on the scatter dice has nothing to do with the results of the shot. If you have a re-roll to hit (and prescience gives you one) the blast weapon rules state that you may re-roll the scatter dice. As soon as the model gains "may re-roll to hit" it also gains "may re-roll scatter dice", and that happens as soon as you successfully cast prescience (or successfully grant a re-roll with some other ability).

Polecat wrote:

 nutty_nutter wrote:
your ability to re-roll a fail to hit is a re-roll to hit as per that rule on p33

therby satisfying the critera needed for the reroll of the dice.

But if I dont fail to hit (something that is not the original target) how do I have the ability to re-roll to hit rolls?

Yep, same as if you have PE, you gain a reroll to hit even though you can never roll a 1.

The requirement is "have a reroll to hit"

Having "reroll to hit (failed to hit)" is a subset of all "reroll to hit", and is therefore covered. Ditto PE.

So if a BS6 model fires a blast weapon, he can always re-roll the scatter?

Yes, as he always has an ability to reroll his to-hit