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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
However if they're selling you a game months before the street date, there are going to be issues.

That's the person who sold it's problem, not 40K Radio's.

Which leads to the questions of:

Who owns/runs/profits off of 40K Radio?
Who owns/runs/profits off of the Gaming Saloon?
Does the joint involvement of people in 40K Radio and the Gaming Saloon violate a trade agreement?
Are the people who beat the street date and the people who reported on something that beat the street date the same people?

 d-usa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
However if they're selling you a game months before the street date, there are going to be issues.

That's the person who sold it's problem, not 40K Radio's.

Which leads to the questions of:

Who owns/runs/profits off of 40K Radio?
Who owns/runs/profits off of the Gaming Saloon?
Does the joint involvement of people in 40K Radio and the Gaming Saloon violate a trade agreement?
Are the people who beat the street date and the people who reported on something that beat the street date the same people?

They all seem like very good questions that GW legal should be answering BEFORE sending out legal threats.

Of course GW legal should probably have actually gone and gotten a copyright on their shoulder pads before taking chapterhouse to court.

By my understanding, they tried, failed and then lied about it...

 azreal13 wrote:
By my understanding, they tried, failed and then lied about it...

I may be wrong on this then but I thought they told CH 'see you in court' then tried, failed and lied about it.

Either way, I think the failing and lying are the things to take away!

 Bull0 wrote:
I believe "I'm going off what other people have said" was me saying I don't feel like I have to go listen to the podcasts, as I'm just repeating statements that have already been established by others in the thread, on previous pages. If they're wrong, fine, I'm wrong too.

They were wrong, and in fact, admitted they were wrong. Myself, I usually make at least some effort determine the truth of a matter for myself before I opine on it so I don't look the fool; especially when doing so is pretty simple to do. But, go with what works for you.

 Bull0 wrote:
That doesn't really have any bearing on what I was saying, which is that if that is what they were doing, it's a lot more complicated than simply "discussing the book".

Oh, so we're not talking about the facts of the matter before us, but instead inventing some hypothetical situation that might (but doesn't) exist, and discussing that instead? It's preferable that we try and stay on-topic, instead.

For god's sake, all I said was that if they were really reading out chunks of the book, that's not as simple as 'discussing' the book. I got an impression that they were reading out whole sections - perhaps they were paraphrasing, and that's legal, I honestly don't care, IANAL,I haven't made any kind of pronouncement on whether or not what they did was legal or the C&D was justified or whatever because that's none of my business. Here are just a few quotes

 Steve steveson wrote:
No, but if you read out whole sections of the book she/her publishing company would. It is a question of where the line is.

 azreal13 wrote:
Except it wasn't the whole codex was it?
Sure, it was the most relevant parts

nkelsch wrote:
Basically narrating the entire codex and statlines for the sake of just getting the information out there is reproducing copyrighted work and if it is the work in its entirety with little to no actual news story or review

 ClockworkZion wrote:
But please, tell me about how listening to such a small portion of that episode makes you more knowledgeable about what was actually said through both episodes on the Space Marine codex that someone who actually sat through both of them. Please, enlighten me where the word "review" was used. Because from what I remember they weren't talking about reviewing the codex, they were talking about sharing all the rules, stats and details on all the stuff in the book. But if you can point me to that time code where they once claim to have legitimately obtained the materials and claim to be presenting a review of the product please let me know, because I've obviously forgotten. Until then you may want to actually have proof before you accuse people of outright fabrications.

Since I obviously can't find the posts where this was categorically debunked can you link them?

Thanks


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 Pacific wrote:
It's fair enough comment - I'd say pretty much all of Bull0's comments on the forum have been defending GW either with the BoW business, or now in this thread.

You've misunderstood, then - I've only sought to understand the facts in all cases (admittedly usually through discussion rather than research, but you don't need to be on a discussion forum to do research...), A lot of the time I've ended up positioning myself as defending GW but that's mostly because people are happy to exaggerate or lie about what they're doing because it's sexier than talking about what they're actually doing. I personally find GW pretty indefensible on a lot of counts, but I can't deny I'm a long time fan of their products - I just don't like seeing people making stuff up or spinning things to attack anybody, versus attacking them with the truth. It's a pet peeve. If that makes me a "white knight" and not worth talking to, that's fine

First BoW and now 40k radio, GW is bullying everyone into silence instead of admitting that their news and rumours policies are stupid and not working.

 MetalOxide wrote:
This is the last nail in the coffin for me. First BoW and now 40k radio, GW is bullying everyone into silence instead of admitting that their news and rumours policies are stupid and not working. All I can say screw you GW, I'd rather support a company that encourages talk about their products and upcoming releases.

Or it means it is working and they are pushing forward with their agenda of totalitarianism.