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2013/10/23 06:16:54
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
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2013/10/23 06:26:36
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
That would have been a pretty sweet couple of days, just killing time and blowing stuff up. But clearing the brass afterwards...that'd suck. If you guys do that. And if it was even a military lot doing it
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2013/10/23 06:54:52
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
Plasterboard (gyprock) does not stop even small calibre stuff with any efficacy.
.50cal stuff can punch holes in cinderblocks (and crack engineblocks). Sheet steel used on car bodies provides little protection from even a 9mm slug unless it's a shallow glance.
In movies and TV shows, steel tabletops (sheet metal maybe 1.5mm thick) will stop RIFLE bullets - it doesn't.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
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2013/10/23 09:40:36
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
chromedog wrote: Plasterboard (gyprock) does not stop even small calibre stuff with any efficacy.
.50cal stuff can punch holes in cinderblocks (and crack engineblocks). Sheet steel used on car bodies provides little protection from even a 9mm slug unless it's a shallow glance.
In movies and TV shows, steel tabletops (sheet metal maybe 1.5mm thick) will stop RIFLE bullets - it doesn't.
Yeah but that's the movies. You can survive a nuke in a fridge in them, and suffer no more than some light bruising.
IRL, well you would need at least a centimetre of hardened plate steel, backed up with padding to absorb the blow to stand a chance of surviving.
As it is though, that did look pretty cool. But as motyak said, cleaning up the brass would have been a terrible task.
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2013/10/23 14:00:41
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
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2013/10/23 14:16:55
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
I think it just depends on the load you use. I've posted here before (can't find it now but will keep looking), with tests showing that .223 ammo is better for not penetrating home walls, as opposed to handgun and shotgun rounds.
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2013/10/23 14:20:52
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
.223/5.56 ammo has a hard time going through multiple layers of sheet rock, as opposed to 00 buckshot or pistol rounds. Pistols and shotguns have better wall-penetration abilities, which is alarming as many assume that a pistol and shotgun are ideal home defense weapons. No matter what you chose, there will be penetration. Knowing this, you should never shoot at sounds or shadows.
Here is a site with very accurate testing and results:
kronk wrote: There are also wooden studs you hang wallboard on that may stop some rounds, but not heavy caliber stuff.
maybe a 22 short... even .22 LR will go through a 2x4
heck, i have shot .22lr through and through the old 50's style METAL cars, Ie one shot through both metal door panels, and out the other sides as well.
2013/10/23 19:20:40
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
djones520 wrote: There are nail guns that fire nails using a blank .22 round. We used to use them to anchor walls onto steel i-beams.
A .22 round would punch a nail through a steel beam.
What??
No. What you are talking about is a nail propelled by a .22 charge at contact distance. The nail is solid, the charge is enough to force the nail into the beam. Think of the nail as a steel penetrator like in M855 ammo.
A regular 22 S/L/LR bullet is made of very soft lead, with possibly a copper jacket or more frequently copper paint. Upon hitting the steel target holding brackets in my clubs indoor range, your typical 22 bullet disintegrates upon contact with the bracket (which is a much thinner metal than your typical ibeam).
2013/10/23 20:55:32
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
djones520 wrote: There are nail guns that fire nails using a blank .22 round. We used to use them to anchor walls onto steel i-beams.
A .22 round would punch a nail through a steel beam.
What??
No. What you are talking about is a nail propelled by a .22 charge at contact distance. The nail is solid, the charge is enough to force the nail into the beam. Think of the nail as a steel penetrator like in M855 ammo.
A regular 22 S/L/LR bullet is made of very soft lead, with possibly a copper jacket or more frequently copper paint. Upon hitting the steel target holding brackets in my clubs indoor range, your typical 22 bullet disintegrates upon contact with the bracket (which is a much thinner metal than your typical ibeam).
I think you're grossly under estimating the .22lr. At my brothers house we've shoot all kinds of things with .22lr with surprising results. I too have shoot them through a couple truck fenders stacked together with ease.
2013/10/23 21:00:15
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
to above... I have put many a .22lr through steel... just has to be thin... old 50's type cars are metal, and a .22lr will go through and through both side panels.
2013/10/23 21:01:02
Subject: Just how (in)effective walls are at stopping bullets.
easysauce wrote: to above... I have put many a .22lr through steel... just has to be thin... old 50's type cars are metal, and a .22lr will go through and through both side panels.
Thats what Im saying. Ive shot mine through 2 truck fenders stacked infront of each other, and it STILL went through the 3/4 inch plywood they were resting against. I mean the round can kill LARGE game, its been documented of taking down bears, and that old rumor of poachers killing African Elephants as well. Dunno how true THAT one is, but still a large bear......ya, the .22lr isnt a joke
