Warhammer 40K Video Battle Report Tyranids vs Daemons 1750pts

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**Reecius**

InControl from the Evil Geniuses Star Craft 2 team plays Gorka Mokrer from Team Zero Comp in a 1750 game: Nids vs. Daemons!

**Talore**

That was a fun report to watch. Your guest seemed like a pretty charismatic guy and everyone seemed like they were having a good time. I'm sure the results were less fun for Pascal, but at least the atmosphere was good!

**Siphen**

I agree - InControl seems like a pretty cool dude. I'd like to see him in some battle reports against you and Frankie.

I kind of question Pascal's tactics in this one. Trying to take down the Swarmlord on turn 1 was a mistake. There was no way it was going to kill him. Could have gotten first blood off the Biovores or even Hive Guard.
The Flesh Hound combat was crazy, with three 6's in a row...but with Swarmy AND a Trygon Prime, he was going to lose that combat the next round anyway. It wasn't as game changing as he made it sound.

Either way, more Tyranid battle reports! They're always fun to watch, even if this battle was a little one-sided.

**tetrisphreak**

I agree with Siphen - more Tyranids from the frontline!

Specifically, i feel like Tyranids are the unsung counters to ScreamerStar and SeerStar armies - while Eldar and Dark Eldar typically pack all the tools (and then some) to handle typical nid lists, Shadows in the Warp completely nerfs the broken 2++ re-roll combos those armies can bring. A flying hive tyrant getting close turn 1 for shadows range can easily shut down, or at least inhibit, the psykers that make these units so broken.

Good job to InControl for his win, had his opponents dice been average or even hot I still feel the tyranids would have taken the match pretty soundly. Thanks for the Report.

**Zagman**

Enjoyable Batrep.

**slaede**

I know Trygons aren't characters. I can't find anything that says Trygon Primes are one way or the other, so cannot be in challenges. Am I wrong?

**Irkhalu**

No, Trygon nor Trygon Prime is not a character, BUT... since they are in a single model unit, they MUST accept a challenge issued to them.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
It is the same reason that tervigons can accept challenges, but a squad of 3 carnifex cannot... I believe, though, that a single carnifex is bound by the rules of single model unit.

**Reecius**

Single MCs can't issue or accept challenges but I swear a Trygon Prime gains the Character SR, I just can't find it for the life of me....

But yes, InControl is a funny dude and a fun person to play.

**tetrisphreak**

Tervigons and hive tyrants are characters as per the 40k BRB. Trygon Primes are characters thanks to errata in the FAQ.

**slaede**

Ah there it is in the BRB FAQ. I only peeped the Tyranid FAQ.

**thanatos67**

This made my day, Im a starcraft 2 fan so seeing one of their big name personalities playing 40k is pretty cool indeed. Tyranids can do some real meta-busting vs deamons and eldar, as was showcased in the video. They can struggle vs tau and the more meched up eldar builds, but they screw up psykers big time. I'm concerned with their effectiveness vs grav-centric marines due to the grav mechanic negating the usefulness of ironarm.

@InControl-You asked about tervigons and how many you need. IMO 2 is effective support with regards to making troops,and being troops themselves (camping an ironarmed tervigon on the relic is amazing) and being great support psykers. I usually run 2 in my dual flyrant lists, or 5 and a brood of 3 fexes. I took the latter to adepticon this year and did really well, though i dropped game 3 to a pretty bad counter in wolves with jaws/20 missile launchers.

**Reecius**

@tetrisphreak & slaede

Ah, thanks! I knew that was the rule, i just couldn't find it.

@thanatos67

Geoff and I have gone back and forth on Tervies. I prefer 1, but I know a lot of folks share your preference for 2 or more. I just find that when both poop out turn 1, it is a big waste of points.

**thanatos67**

Ah see I rarely spawn gaunts turn 1. I only will spawn gaunts turn 1 if theres a high probability of the tervigons going down, otherwise I just hold back and use the starting gaunts as a screen until I really need to spawn. Spawning early and risking running out comes with an inherent disadvantage that you let your opponent know exactly how many threats he needs to manage by the end of the game. If you can hold back until you close the gap a bit between you and enemy units (or in response to fast threats like deamons) you're leaving your opponent with an unknown and unmanageable threat. Being patient and playing conservatively with your gaunt spawning is the name of the game to me.

I will say with the 5 tervigon build you can afford to risk some spawns (usually 2) on turn 1. Even then I'd only do that if I feel i need the extra screening or pressure.

**Reecius**

Good points and I too sometimes don't spawn turn 1.

I just prefer to have constants in my list, personally. I would rather take 1 Tervie and 1 unit of 30 Gants. I know what I'm getting that way and plan to only get one spawn out of my Tervie, anything else is gravy.

**thanatos67**

Fair enough, you can hold and deny alot of real estate with 30 models.

**Cieged**

That moment when you see a caster from your favorite video game playing your favorite table top game.

**Brymm**

Wow, InControl seems like he would be a phenomenal player if he had a bunch more experience. His observations are spot on for such little background he seems to not have. He seems to have the knack for strategy (go figure). Great report!

**PrinceRaven**

Nice batrep. As far as Tervigons go I think footslogging lists would suffer from running less than 2, you really need the durability and scoring abilities they bring you. I manage to get away with only 1 in my heavy reserves list at 1750 and below, because I have so many threats my opponents are usually busy trying to kill other, more dangerous units.

**Dozer Blades**

Great batrep!

**Reecius**

Yeah, InControl is picking it up super fast. He's juiced about 40K too, he'll be playing at the LVO if you guys are going you'll get to meet him and maybe play him there!

One of the other cool things to do with a Tervie if you take 2 is to ouflank one with Hive COmmander! That is a nice little trick.

**Valek**

So Reece, what you think about the trygon is he worth his points? Or we better getting in some more gribbies and shooting/psykers?

**Reecius**

I like Trygons a lot, myself. They are fast, and are a different type of threat in HtH. Little bugs kill other MCs, the Trygon wastes infantry and he utterly destroys vehicles. He also has deployment options with deep strike, etc. I really enjoy them and have 3, personally.

**PrinceRaven**

Trygons are pretty good, they just suffer from being a combat beast in a shooty edition, and also being in the same slot as Biovores. I take a Trygon in my lists though, DISTRACTION TRYGON is a pretty good tactic.

**Reecius**

Yeah, Biovores are an auto-include for me in 6th. I won't play without them. I think there is a place for Trygons, though, they walk through most infantry units like a hot knife through butter.

**Valek**

Strange i come to 1653 points when i calculate the Nids list?

**PrinceRaven**

Valek wrote:
Strange i come to 1653 points when i calculate the Nids list?

I get 1753 if he took 2 sets of devourers on the Flyrant, which is usually a safe assumption, did you forget the Hive Guard or the 2 Termagant broods?

**Reecius**

Yeah, the lists that get handed to me are often written in short hand or missing some wargear. Both lists are 1750 (or within a few points of that).

Both Flyrants have dual Devourers though, yes.

**Valek**

PrinceRaven wrote:
Valek wrote:
Strange i come to 1653 points when i calculate the Nids list?

I get 1753 if he took 2 sets of devourers on the Flyrant, which is usually a safe assumption, did you forget the Hive Guard or the 2 Termagant broods?

a 100 pts hiveguards didnt got points, sadly they are not free...

**Reecius**

Er, wrong thread, oops!

**Stormbreed**

Irkhalu wrote:
No, Trygon nor Trygon Prime is not a character, BUT... since they are in a single model unit, they MUST accept a challenge issued to them.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
It is the same reason that tervigons can accept challenges, but a squad of 3 carnifex cannot... I believe, though, that a single carnifex is bound by the rules of single model unit.

Reference Section
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Profiles,
Codex: Tyranids
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Add the following profiles to the Tyranids section:
Model WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv Type
Trygon Prime 5 3 6 6 6 4 6 10 3+ Mc(ch)

So yea, Trygon Primes are often overlooked but I find them very good against Chaos (Other then Abby)

Great battle report!
I think target priority you should have focused on the Tervigon's and just avoided Swarmy as best you can, he's deadly, but seriously slow :(