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Hey Dakka,

got a 600 points doubles coming up and thinking of going a bit dirty between me and my partner, Flingitnow.

Rules in a nutshell:

Standard FOC
Standard allies rules
No joining each others units
No buffs/effects work on each other
No FW rules allowed

Anywho, we are looking at dual Tau. I'm going with the Farsight Enclaves and he will be using regular dex.

My 600 Points

HQ
Commander- 2 Burst cannons

Troops
3 XV8's- all have 2 Burst Cannons, Bonded (have to be due to enclave rules)
2 XV8's- 3 Burst Cannons, 1 Flamer, Bonded

Heavy Support
2 XV88's- HYM, SMS, Early Warning Overide, Bonded
2 XV88's- HYM, SMS, Early Warning Overide, Bonded

Total= 599

and Flingitnow is looking at something like:

HQ
Ethereal

Troops
6 FW
6 FW

Elites
Riptide- IA, EWO, TLFB
Riptide- IA, EWO, TLFB

Fast Attack
6 Pathfinders

We are figuring 2 riptides and 4 broadsides at 1200 should be pretty effective .

Thoughts please Dakka.

Not Bad-note you have some vulnerabilities
Biker Heavy and AV-14 Heavy Lists will hurt ..As will Artillery line Imperial Guard. You have anti Deepstrike and anti Air well covered..and even enough anti horde for those that love to bring tons of cheap troops..

Thanks for the quick reply.

We figured that biker lists shouldn't be too hard as the weight of shots and the riptides should deal with them pretty well.

AV14 is a concern but we worked it out that in 1200 points, split between 2 600 point FOC's at the most we'll face 2 raiders at the most, and not a lot else of threat in either force.

i think you are more likely to see multiple ravens than raiders, and as you said, we are well catered for anti air.

personally i think you are Overestimating the power of the riptides, they take a lot of damage(and tend not to die, especially if your opponent is smart and just avoids them), and the potential for doing a lot of damage is there, however without some real marker support they tend to be underwhelming.

I also feel like you should swap some burst cannons for plasma rifles, Even if only on the commander, take advantage of that super high BS and make sure it hurts whatever it hits.

Well the riptides are from Fling's section so i'm sure fling may have some opinions on that.

For my part, burst cannons all around plus the sms's gives the force 60 str5 shots a turn plus 16 str7. thats a lot for 600 points no?

I will grant my side of it is kinda relying on the riptides to deal the ap2 pain.

What would you suggest changing from mine to grab some harder hitting weaponary?

Me and a freind are also going to a 1200 tournie in feb not sure if its same but looks like it. We are also thinking of taking dual tau somthing like.

Commander 2x mp, dc, tl

Riptide IO, ewo, tlfb

3 crisis suits 2x mp, tl, 4 marker drones

1 crisis suit 2x fb

The 2nd list is the same both farsight enclave ofc with bonding knifes.

Our lists are fairly simular mine puts out a little more str 7 but yours has a fair smount of str 5 though most of it short ranged. Not sure about pathfinders the riptides need support to be effective but on they die to easy give up 1st blood alot and they are 2 static. As for my ones im essentialy paying 17 points each as the crisis all need target locks but they are bs5 and mobile.

Its the invasion event in feb 2014.

I quite like your list but we have the same Str 7 output, you get it through XV8's and i get it through XV88's.

We think the two lists dovetail quite well as mine brings weight of fire with 60 Str 5 shots and 16 Str 7 whilst Flingitnow brings low AP templates and Anti AV14, though how much AV1 you see we are not too sure.

Just a quick note form me - try to put velocity trackers on the suits if you can find some points somewhere! They can help alot!

Sky firing is useful but expensive, broadsides with RoF and twinlinking should do the job.

I've been having a think about my list and wanted to offer this alternative:

Commander- 2 Burst Cannons, Drone Controller- 113

3 XV8's- 5 Burst, 1 Flamer, Bonded- 124
1 XV8- TLFB, Flamer, Bonded- 48
1 XV8- TLFB, Bonded- 43

4 Gundrones- 56

XV88- HYM, EWO, Bonded- 71
XV88- HYM, EWO, Bonded- 71
XV88- HYM, EWO, Bonded- 71

= 597

Drones join the commander for a BS5 Str5 dakka unit, 3 XV8 unit is the second dakka base and 2 solo Anti-Tanks suits plus 3 sides.

Better? worse?

I believe that is better. -Feasible

The Riptides do bring AP2 but Mixers volume fire should put down terminators fairly quickly. MEq will just be blown away.

The lack of ML support for my Riptides is a concern but 2 at 1200 should put down enough pain. I tend to find my Riptides aren't reliable even with ML support so not too concerned.

As for the AV14 "issue" I strongly doubt we'll see any particularly in the hands of a decent player as you get nothing in your list other than the Raider and that leaves too many terrible match ups for any decent player to consider.

Guard gunline will be an issue due to range and Aegis as we won't have much ignores cover.

As for the new list we get 2 fusion blasters which may kill 1 tank every other turn between them. But go from 60 S5 to 48 S5. I would prefer plasma or missile pods on those Monats as I think they add more. Plus if you're doing that swap the drones for markers.

I like Kendowned lists as he states they have more S7 but we have miles more S5 (84 shots to 0) and more survivability. But you have reliable ML support that we lack. I actually think you have too much fusion. I would swap the monats to plasma. Or possibly more MPs to allow you to stay at 36"+ with the entire army.

 FlingitNow wrote:
The Riptides do bring AP2 but Mixers volume fire should put down terminators fairly quickly. MEq will just be blown away.

The lack of ML support for my Riptides is a concern but 2 at 1200 should put down enough pain. I tend to find my Riptides aren't reliable even with ML support so not too concerned.

As for the AV14 "issue" I strongly doubt we'll see any particularly in the hands of a decent player as you get nothing in your list other than the Raider and that leaves too many terrible match ups for any decent player to consider.

Guard gunline will be an issue due to range and Aegis as we won't have much ignores cover.

As for the new list we get 2 fusion blasters which may kill 1 tank every other turn between them. But go from 60 S5 to 48 S5. I would prefer plasma or missile pods on those Monats as I think they add more. Plus if you're doing that swap the drones for markers.

I like Kendowned lists as he states they have more S7 but we have miles more S5 (84 shots to 0) and more survivability. But you have reliable ML support that we lack. I actually think you have too much fusion. I would swap the monats to plasma. Or possibly more MPs to allow you to stay at 36"+ with the entire army.

How about this then:

Commander- 2 Burst Cannons, Drone Controller- 113

3 XV8's- 5 Burst, 1 Flamer, Bonded- 124
1 XV8- 2 Plas, Bonded- 53
1 XV8- 1 Plas, Bonded- 38

4 Marker drones- 56

XV88- HYM, EWO, Bonded- 71
XV88- HYM, EWO, Bonded- 71
XV88- HYM, EWO, Bonded- 71

= 597

Do you think this is better for us overall considering the Marker lights i can now bring?

I do like that though units of 1 Broadside don't really mean the MLs are max efficiency. So how about this:

Commander- 2 Burst Cannons, Drone Controller- 113

3 XV8's- 5 Burst, 1 Flamer, Bonded- 124
1 XV8- 2 Plas, Bonded- 53
1 XV8- Missile Pod, Bonded- 38

4 Marker drones- 56

3 XV88- HYM, 2 EWO, 1 target lock Bonded- 213

OK we lose some interceptor (but not much) but now have a big unit that can maximise the efficiency of the markerlights but are still able to split shots off and go for 2 targets. Swapping to Monat with 1 gun to Missile Pod allows him to float around back field taking pot shots. Whilst the double plasma suit drops in and brings some pain.

 FlingitNow wrote:
I do like that though units of 1 Broadside don't really mean the MLs are max efficiency. So how about this:

Commander- 2 Burst Cannons, Drone Controller- 113

3 XV8's- 5 Burst, 1 Flamer, Bonded- 124
1 XV8- 2 Plas, Bonded- 53
1 XV8- Missile Pod, Bonded- 38

4 Marker drones- 56

3 XV88- HYM, 2 EWO, 1 target lock Bonded- 213

OK we lose some interceptor (but not much) but now have a big unit that can maximise the efficiency of the markerlights but are still able to split shots off and go for 2 targets. Swapping to Monat with 1 gun to Missile Pod allows him to float around back field taking pot shots. Whilst the double plasma suit drops in and brings some pain.

I am happy to run with that list if you are.

Plus the markers are there to help deal with units behind ADL's for a riptide pie plate.